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    My dream bike is no dream at all- Waterford build gone wrong

    I have a few major issues i would love for you guys to pick apart about my new build.

    First up is fit. The top tube is 54 and i feel stretched out even with a 100mm rise stem. I love the bike but i cant tell whether to give up on it or not. I got the bike used an it is in prime condition and i know when i leave for my victoria to southern cal trip i am going to put some wear on it. Should i just sell it now. ( the bike is their relaxed cross bike, i thought i could use it as my daily rider after my trip).

    Second up is saddle. My B17 doesnt fit in my thomson. Is my brooks pro too skinny?

    3rd I am running a compact da 2x10 with a 11-27 in rear and a 42 53 in front. Not very compact but getting 3X10 means getting a whole new group essentially because my cranks and shifters are double. My cranks are the 2004 ultegra self extracting ones so i can just swap out an arm.

    i have an old beater frame laying around that fits me like a glove. i think i might switch back to that but then i am running caliper brakes and can only run 28c tires. Oh what to do.

    I should say i am riding vic to santa barbara in 5 weeks and plan on doing a medium load, ultra light tent and stove, a little food here and their, and light on the clothes.I plan to carry 50pnds. i am 24, 165, and in plow horse shape but i want it to be fun.
    thank you sheldon

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    Go to a good bike shop that does fittings and pay them to get it right. Unless the frame is just the wrong size for you, it's probably just a matter of using the correct stem, seatpost and adjustments. In my experience, a Thomson is the wrong post for a Brooks saddle unless your frame has a very relaxed seat tube angle (eg, 72), which I doubt. You need a seatpost with a lot of setback to use a Brooks saddle on most frames.

    Alternatively, post the dimensions of your old "beater" bike that fits like a glove -- eg, top tube, seat tube, and head tube lengths measured center-center. If you know the STA, post that as well as the distance from center of the bottom bracket to the top of your saddle. It may be that the Waterford is just the wrong size for you.

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    why not a shorter stem?

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    and maybe it's just the narrow saddles that have issue? i'm using a flyer (springy!) on my thompson setback and it works very well.

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    I went from a thomson layback to an upright, went from a 120 to 100 stem. The bike is threaded which makes it kinda tough to get fitted on. The Waterford is 54 tt with a 50 st (but because its cyclocross the stand over is about the same as a 53 or 54. I found a Fuji in the street that is 43.5 tt and 52 st. which i ride with a 120 or 110 stem.
    thank you sheldon

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    and its the rails of the b17 which are set about 2mm too wide for the tomson or any "road" post.
    thank you sheldon

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    do i have a mtn. thomson? didn't know there were differences.....interesting.

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    Unless you are a very strong rider, and/or do not plan to take the coastal route, that gearing will be insufficient. There are some killer hills near Big Sur and other areas.

    Fortunately 28c's should actually be OK as long as you stick to the road. Since you have a few weeks, you have time to experiment with lower PSI tires. So if the beater bike has low gearing and is in decent shape, that may be a better choice.

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    Quote Originally Posted by clayborne View Post
    and its the rails of the b17 which are set about 2mm too wide for the tomson or any "road" post.

    My B-17 fits Campag Centaur post no problem.

    Here's some sizing/fitting info.
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    I had a Brooks on my Thompson post in my T2000 for a couple of test rides. Are you sure it doesn't fit? I understand you want to shorten up the cockpit with the straight-up seat post and shorter stem, but sometimes you're fighting a losing battle. Also, being too stretched out on a Brooks can pull you forward onto the horn of the saddle (happened to me) leading to perineal problems.

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    Quote Originally Posted by clayborn
    I got the bike used
    you used a very misleading thread title dontchya think? was the bike built for your identical twin?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bekologist View Post
    you used a very misleading thread title dontchya think? was the bike built for your identical twin?
    +1

    The title makes it sound like it's a problem with Waterford, which it is clearly is not.

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    Quote Originally Posted by clayborne View Post
    I went from a thomson layback to an upright, went from a 120 to 100 stem. The bike is threaded which makes it kinda tough to get fitted on. The Waterford is 54 tt with a 50 st (but because its cyclocross the stand over is about the same as a 53 or 54. I found a Fuji in the street that is 43.5 tt and 52 st. which i ride with a 120 or 110 stem.
    Wait, what? Your comfy bike has a 43.5cm top tube, and you thought a bike with a 10.5cm longer top tube would work? That's more than 4" of difference. If the Fuji feels very small and cramped, it *might* make sense, but that's still jumping something like 4 sizes of bike at once.

    That is not a dream bike, and this is why people say to buy bikes by the top tube length.

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    Quote Originally Posted by clayborne View Post
    I am running a compact da 2x10 with a 11-27 in rear and a 42 53 in front. Not very compact ...
    ??? are you running a compact or not? 53/42 is not a compact and no one uses a 42 anymore, even racers

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    Gearing-wise, you can get pretty low gears (how low, I don't know, check sheldonbrown.com's gear calculator) with a mountain 11-32 (or 34) cogstack on the back, and your crank should be able to run a 38 tooth little ring. I haven't done an extended trip like this, but I did haul all of mine and my wife's stuff in a BOB trailer around Galiano and Pender Islands (steep hills, particularly on Galiano) with my race bike and this gearing combo. Rear derailleur capacity may be an issue, but that's pretty easy to sort out with a cheap mountain derailleur.

    Fit: This is the most important thing about any bike. Since you're in Victoria, (I assume by your trip route) I can recommend Scott at Oak Bay Bikes as a good bike fitter. Pay for the fit-kit and you'll know exactly how a bike should come together in order to fit you well. This costs some money, but you avoid the "trial and error" costs of trying to sort it out on your own. Since you have a frame that you're comfortable on, you've got a good starting point. Measure the top tube length, stem length, and reach, and you will be able to figure out what you have to do to replicate that position on your new bike.

    Bike fit can be tricky, but it's important, so professional, in-person advice can be very valuable. Even if it means selling your frame and starting over it's worthwhile to ride a bike that fits.
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    Apart from being 10cm too large, in addition to getting a new stem, you should get bars with shorter reach and drop measurements so you are not as far forward.

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    Quote Originally Posted by stachemaster View Post
    Apart from being 10cm too large, in addition to getting a new stem, you should get bars with shorter reach and drop measurements so you are not as far forward.
    +1. and drop to a 50/34 compact in the front. Gearing's too high for loaded touring.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Torrilin View Post
    Wait, what? Your comfy bike has a 43.5cm top tube, and you thought a bike with a 10.5cm longer top tube would work? That's more than 4" of difference. If the Fuji feels very small and cramped, it *might* make sense, but that's still jumping something like 4 sizes of bike at once.

    That is not a dream bike, and this is why people say to buy bikes by the top tube length.
    uh, pretty sure that was a typo and he meant 53.5cm...

    I dont think anyone even makes a 43cm tt bike...

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    Quote Originally Posted by positron View Post
    I dont think anyone even makes a 43cm tt bike...
    Salsa did in 44cm

    http://www.salsacycles.com/elgogo.html

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    Quote Originally Posted by ziemas View Post
    +1

    the title makes it sound like it's a problem with waterford, which it is clearly is not.
    +2
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