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    Brooks flyer too small?

    I decided to try a brooks flyer saddle on a new (to me) marin corte madera. I did the research on breaking in the saddle. I've done several rides now and am having trouble getting comfortable on the flyer.

    Basically, my sit bones are directly above the rear rail and the very rear edges of the saddle. I thought the sit bones were supposed to rest in the softer portion of the leather in front of the rail? I've tried several different seat angles and handlebar positions (bike has adjustable stem) but i can't get the sit bones to rest in the softer part of the leather no matter what I try. I'm not sure if I'm approaching this correctly or not. The seat height is just about the same as the handlebars.
    I went so far as to try and measure my sit bones, ~ 5.5". The side part of the flyer at the rear is 6". Could this mean that the saddle is simply too small for me?
    The only other thing I can think is that maybe changing stems to move the handlbars further forward could help but that seems like a drastic measure.

    I'd sure appreciate any feedback or suggestions as I've got a little 3 day mini tour coming up in a couple weeks.

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    I don't know anything about brooks, but changing the stem to fix the saddle doesn't make sense. can you slide the saddle any further back on the seatpost?
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    They do make a Champion Flyer 'S' model. It's targeted for women, who have wider sitbones.

    I'm told you can actually measure your sitbone width using a slightly moistened piece of cardboard on a hard surface, but have never tried it.
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    You do know that the saddle can be adjusted fore and aft, right?

    Also height and tilt may have an effect. If the saddle is too low you may have a tendency to slide back too far to compensate.

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    If you can, take a pic of yourself on the bike from the side with your foot as low as it will go.
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    I've got the saddle mounted as far back as it will go and at a real nice, high height for me.

    Does that sound right though...that the sit bones are supposed to be further foward on the saddle than above the rear rail.

    The slightly wider flyer sounds like it could have been an option before last week, when I put toe clips on my pedals, which I hadn't used in 2 years, went out for a ride, and forgetting I had them on, came to a really quick dead stop in front of my house and just tipped over. The edge of the saddle was scuffed enough in the fall that I'm sure it's not returnable anymore.

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    Seldom do you hear of a Brooks B17 or Flyer (B17 with springs) being too small. Possible I guess. I'm just curious how your bike fits you otherwise. If your bike was too small for your size I could see this happening. Brooks does make models that are considerably wider. And ebay may be an option if you need to get rid of your Flyer. Resale value is extremely good, seems most sell for as much as a brand new saddle, even scuffed up saddles.
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    I went for a nice easy 10 mile ride today with my wife. She had her cruiser so i occasionally just sped up ahead and then stopped and changed the handlebar height and seat angle height a few times while she caught up.

    About the best position I found was with the handlebars all the way up, and the seat just very slightly angled up at the front. The handlebars were about the same height as the saddle or just barely higher. I feel the handlebar height very much affected where I rode on the saddle. The higher I raised them, the more forward I moved on the saddle. The more forward I moved, the more upright I sat, but the less supported I felt....it felt like the sit bones where on the very L&R edges of the saddle (rather than the rear rail). This would make sense if my measurements were correct, since the saddle is basically tapering in.

    My 19" frame Corte Madera is the the 2nd largest in the model line. I was between sizes on paper and compared the Marin to a 21" Specialized Sirrus, but that seemed almost too big. (I'm 6' 1.5", 200 lbs, 35" waist)...so I don't think my bike is necessarily too small.

    For my short 3 day 120 mile Southwestern Wisconsin tour next week, I'm thinking maybe I'll start with the brooks and see how it goes but also pack the original saddle in case things become unbearable. Otherwise I guess I can try the wider Brooks B67.

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    I have to admit to having some trouble understanding your problem. If you're concerned that you're sitting too far back on your saddle--and sitbones on the rivets is too far back--why would a wider saddle help?

    You say you have your saddle adjusted all the way back. Can I ask about your seatpost? Is it a setback or a zero-setback model?

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    I don't think you don't need a wider saddle, but rather to get the setup right so you sit a little farther forward on it. If, as you say, you have it all the way back on its rails, then you are right to be thinking about moving the handlebar. If you have relatively long torso and long arms versus short legs, then a longer stem may be the way to go.

    Forgive me for asking... but I don't suppose you might have the seatpost in backwards, do you? That would be a problem.

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    Too narrow

    I had the same issue with a Swift. I eventually went with a Team Pro and love it. My B17 on my 520 is dead on! Setback is good, my sit bones made a small dent after about 4000 miles.
    The Brooks are sometime hard to fitup but once you get there...


    I've attached a pic I got from here to let you visualize the differences. I picture of you on the bike would be very helpful to the forum. There is a lot of great knowledge to be found here.

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    I don't think the stock shock-mount seat post is offset.
    Here's a photo of the bike...you can zoom into the seat post pretty well.

    Thanks for all the input...maybe I can try to take a couple photos tonight too...sideviews?

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    You have a wife?! Cool. I was thinking about getting one of those, lol.

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    3day minitour in a couple of weeks. I'd suggest getting a comfortable saddle now. The popularity of Brooks saddles is kind of funny, 35yrs ago when I was getting into touring leather saddles were used by some but most people were using lighter and more contoured saddles. Very few racers used them. But now they're determined to be the requisite touring saddle. I'd say go for what feels good, if your butt isn't conditioned nothing feels good and once it is you'll make a clear decision after a few miles of riding.

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    Quote Originally Posted by drums View Post
    I don't think the stock shock-mount seat post is offset.
    Here's a photo of the bike...you can zoom into the seat post pretty well.

    Thanks for all the input...maybe I can try to take a couple photos tonight too...sideviews?
    If you're committed to the suspension post, you might be in trouble. If not, I would recommend trying a post with a little set-back to see if that helps put you where you want to be. Actually, I'd try one just to see what happens and then make my decisions from there, as it would sort out at least one variable.

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    I always felt that if I could adjust my brooks flyer just a tad more back it would be perfect, I too was sitting just slightly on the rear frame of the saddle on the rivets. I think that the bike frame could have been slightly bigger. My new bike is slightly bigger and think this will solve the problem. You probably need a bigger frame.

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    I think this would work for your problem. It did for me. I have a Swift and B17

    http://www.velo-orange.com/vogrcrusepol.html.
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    Check you fit by siting on the saddle as you would if riding and then hang a weight, on some string, off the end of your knee when the pedals are horizontal. If the weight is over the centre (axle) of the the pedal your seat position is about right. If the weight is forward of the centre of the pedal you need to move the seat back or get a larger frame. This is not always correct, but it's a good guide.

    Lots of details available on correct fit - might be a good place to start.

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    "Check you fit by siting on the saddle as you would if riding and then hang a weight, on some string, off the end of your knee when the pedals are horizontal."

    Not to complicate things but the string should be held on the bony protrusion below your knee cap not just over the knee. Also I second a seat post with a longer set back if you can't get your seat far enough back. I used my road bike as a basis for the fit of my LHT that I had to order and couldn't test ride and even though the geometry wasen't that far off between bikes the seat position was. I bought the Nitto 83 seat post (as apposed to a zero setback carbon seat post on the road bike) and that seemed to fix the problem. Now breaking in my saddle?.......that's another issue.

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    Well drums, Brooks saddles don't work for everybody.

    I sit rearward of all saddles, and on a Brooks that puts me over the rivets. If that is your preferred position, give up now, rather than punish yourself by trying to make it work.

    I don't know if Brooks was ever meant to support the sit bones, it's more of hammock effect from nose to tail. If that works great, if you don't fit that mold it's not for you.

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