a stove from a TA trip
07-27-09, 03:49 PM
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On the subject of stove alcohol, does anybody have any insight on how available it is in other interesting countries like Tibet, China, Australia, India, Africa and so on? On the one hand the simplicity of the Trangia is a definite plus in the middle of nowhere (nothing to go wrong) but on the other hand a multi-fuel stove such as the Primus Omni-Fuel has obvious advantages - though there are a lot more little bits and pieces to break...
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07-27-09, 04:03 PM
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you can do lots of searches thru Youtube and find all sorts of "penny stoves", "cat stoves", etc...
i always laff when i meet someone who is very familiar with these types of stoves, and are proficient at their use.
the paradigm shift is....
with a stove you buy, obviously there is this object that you now use, when or if it should break, you have to buy a new one. in the mean time, its junk, or you have to try to fix it, etc...
the thing with these "cat stoves", etc...
is that
now the skill
the knowledge
is in your head
its a skill
its a learned art
suddenly now all you need is a few teaspoonsfull of HEET, etc
literally you can pick up a couple of cans from the side of the road, and make a stove
I'm guilty. I have at least 3 different stoves.
my favorite has been a SnowPeak mini giga... isofuel stove
now my favorite are these "cat stoves"
what i don't like, is making trash
what i like is using trash to cook my food...
that is...
there is something gratifying by cutting up a can to use as a stove...
somehow i think that is cool
and what always blows my mind, is how well they typically work.
just like any other skill
its all in the way you make your stove, and how well you shelter it.
peace...d
i always laff when i meet someone who is very familiar with these types of stoves, and are proficient at their use.
the paradigm shift is....
with a stove you buy, obviously there is this object that you now use, when or if it should break, you have to buy a new one. in the mean time, its junk, or you have to try to fix it, etc...
the thing with these "cat stoves", etc...
is that
now the skill
the knowledge
is in your head
its a skill
its a learned art
suddenly now all you need is a few teaspoonsfull of HEET, etc
literally you can pick up a couple of cans from the side of the road, and make a stove
I'm guilty. I have at least 3 different stoves.
my favorite has been a SnowPeak mini giga... isofuel stove
now my favorite are these "cat stoves"
what i don't like, is making trash
what i like is using trash to cook my food...
that is...
there is something gratifying by cutting up a can to use as a stove...
somehow i think that is cool
and what always blows my mind, is how well they typically work.
just like any other skill
its all in the way you make your stove, and how well you shelter it.
peace...d
07-27-09, 04:34 PM
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aiyWB1-3zfM
this subject is huge
tons of stuff
really...
https://www.youtube.com/results?searc...oq=super+cat+s
honestly...
the best part of all of this, is that suddenly know you can make your own stoves.
suddenly its as if you had gone your whole life paying your big brother to make you paper airplanes
(well... something along those lines)
its as if
when the day came along and i learned how to make a small fire, and put together a small reflection stove.
the day, when i realized you can put damp moss in your pockets, and when the day has gone, that moss that is in your pocket, is probably now nice and dry... good tinder.
there is a ton of this kind of stuff
char cloth <----- ????
https://www.youtube.com/results?searc...=0s&oq=charclo
have fun
d-
this subject is huge
tons of stuff
really...
https://www.youtube.com/results?searc...oq=super+cat+s
honestly...
the best part of all of this, is that suddenly know you can make your own stoves.
suddenly its as if you had gone your whole life paying your big brother to make you paper airplanes
(well... something along those lines)
its as if
when the day came along and i learned how to make a small fire, and put together a small reflection stove.
the day, when i realized you can put damp moss in your pockets, and when the day has gone, that moss that is in your pocket, is probably now nice and dry... good tinder.
there is a ton of this kind of stuff
char cloth <----- ????
https://www.youtube.com/results?searc...=0s&oq=charclo
have fun
d-
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I built two of the pop can stoves today and am planning on trying them tomorrow when the jb weld dries. I rode around today and went to 3 gas stations and a walgreens and none of them had heet. I know this is what everyone says to use but are there other brands? I know it is methanol but a lot of them don't seem to have ingredients listed.
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I built two of the pop can stoves today and am planning on trying them tomorrow when the jb weld dries. I rode around today and went to 3 gas stations and a walgreens and none of them had heet. I know this is what everyone says to use but are there other brands? I know it is methanol but a lot of them don't seem to have ingredients listed.
you can also use denatured alcohol, found at hardware stores
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RE: the yellow flam.
I expect because of the photo op they wanted a flame and where using another fuel type.
I expect because of the photo op they wanted a flame and where using another fuel type.
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MULTI-FUEL
The Clikstand system was designed specifically for alcohol burners, but it also works well with solid fuels and compatible gas burners. It can even be used as a firebox for small wood fires!
MULTI-FUEL
The Clikstand system was designed specifically for alcohol burners, but it also works well with solid fuels and compatible gas burners. It can even be used as a firebox for small wood fires!
• Alcohol Fuel – renewable, clean burning, safe and easy to transport
• Solid Fuel Tablets – hexamine, Esbit®, etc., lightweight, efficient
• White Gas – high heat output, high efficiency
• Canister Gas – high heat output, high efficiency, lightweight
Note: Windscreen is not recommended for use with gas burners. The extreme heat generated by these burners could cause deformation of the windscreen.• Solid Fuel Tablets – hexamine, Esbit®, etc., lightweight, efficient
• White Gas – high heat output, high efficiency
• Canister Gas – high heat output, high efficiency, lightweight
07-28-09, 04:41 AM
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I built two of the pop can stoves today and am planning on trying them tomorrow when the jb weld dries. I rode around today and went to 3 gas stations and a walgreens and none of them had heet. I know this is what everyone says to use but are there other brands? I know it is methanol but a lot of them don't seem to have ingredients listed.
https://zenstoves.net/Fuels.htm#Alcohol
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I love the idea of doing things cheaply. Especially so the idea of using creating something good from others' cast-offs.
But the next time I'm cold, wet, hungry, and far from home, I'll be glad to have a stove that really throws out some heat. And can be refueled at any gas station in the world.
MSR Whisperlite Internationale = fast dinner
But the next time I'm cold, wet, hungry, and far from home, I'll be glad to have a stove that really throws out some heat. And can be refueled at any gas station in the world.
MSR Whisperlite Internationale = fast dinner
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From the "I'm sure you've seen this but it works" department.
My "Penny" stove boils water pretty fast considering I built it for free from recycled Heineken cans. Heet costs me $1.47 a bottle and with several camp outs this Summer, I still have a little fuel left. Scroll down the page for some of the boil test results. https://www.csun.edu/~mjurey/penny.html However, if we were all in such a hurry we wouldn't be riding slow bikes.
Here's the instructions. https://www.csun.edu/~mjurey/stoveinstruct.html
I use this version of packing my "kitchen".
BTW: If anyone wants one of these stoves built for them,
let me know.
My "Penny" stove boils water pretty fast considering I built it for free from recycled Heineken cans. Heet costs me $1.47 a bottle and with several camp outs this Summer, I still have a little fuel left. Scroll down the page for some of the boil test results. https://www.csun.edu/~mjurey/penny.html However, if we were all in such a hurry we wouldn't be riding slow bikes.
Here's the instructions. https://www.csun.edu/~mjurey/stoveinstruct.html
I use this version of packing my "kitchen".
BTW: If anyone wants one of these stoves built for them,
let me know.
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I love the idea of doing things cheaply. Especially so the idea of using creating something good from others' cast-offs.
But the next time I'm cold, wet, hungry, and far from home, I'll be glad to have a stove that really throws out some heat. And can be refueled at any gas station in the world.
MSR Whisperlite Internationale = fast dinner
But the next time I'm cold, wet, hungry, and far from home, I'll be glad to have a stove that really throws out some heat. And can be refueled at any gas station in the world.
MSR Whisperlite Internationale = fast dinner
and mega heat
and you can sleep next to it
more at: https://forums.mtbr.com/showthread.php?t=454919
the subject of stoves, is as if... infinite
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07-28-09, 10:38 PM
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I just ordered an Optimus Nova+. It burns naptha, kerosene, gasoline, and diesel (plus jet fuel, but this is irrelevant for most civilians).
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I just ordered an Optimus Nova+. It burns naptha, kerosene, gasoline, and diesel (plus jet fuel, but this is irrelevant for most civilians).
i've had 2 of them
its weakness is the single nut that holds the whole burner assembly together
see pdf: https://katadynch.vs31.snowflakehosti...ovaPlus_EN.pdf
if i remember correctly, what occurs is something with the heat, and breaking the threaded section with the nut still attached.
I broke 2 of these stoves
one right after the next.
i liked the stove too
a lot
then i switched to a Snow Peak WG
they are all about the same
huge and heavy in comparison to something like a "Cat Stove"
not to mention the $
I broke that Optimus stove when they first came out with that current design.
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HEET is more likely available in places where it gets cold. It may be hard to find in southern california for example. Luckily there are plenty of hardware stores with denatured alcohol. Most towns with about 300 had an ACE hardware.
I have had plenty of success cooking multi-course meals with my trangia, to the surprise of many other bike tourists in camp. It may take a bit of planning for you if you don't cook in your normal life, but if you do then it's not too bad.
I have had plenty of success cooking multi-course meals with my trangia, to the surprise of many other bike tourists in camp. It may take a bit of planning for you if you don't cook in your normal life, but if you do then it's not too bad.
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Make a pot cosy.
Then with any stove you can even cook thing like rice and save loads on fuel. They are light and cheap to make. Plus when it's cold you can keep your pan in it when your eating to stop your food chilling too quickly, which can happen very quickly with thin aluminum pans.
Then with any stove you can even cook thing like rice and save loads on fuel. They are light and cheap to make. Plus when it's cold you can keep your pan in it when your eating to stop your food chilling too quickly, which can happen very quickly with thin aluminum pans.
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Make a pot cosy.
Then with any stove you can even cook thing like rice and save loads on fuel. They are light and cheap to make. Plus when it's cold you can keep your pan in it when your eating to stop your food chilling too quickly, which can happen very quickly with thin aluminum pans.
Then with any stove you can even cook thing like rice and save loads on fuel. They are light and cheap to make. Plus when it's cold you can keep your pan in it when your eating to stop your food chilling too quickly, which can happen very quickly with thin aluminum pans.
Fajitas with beans and rice on the side is one of my faves with the trangia. It probably takes an hour to prepare, so most of you guys talking about fast probably wouldn't go for it. Occasionally I cook this type of meal, especially if just a weekend trip, because I like a nice hearty meal and it keeps me out diners with often overpriced and mediocre food.
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That sounds nice do you have a link to a simple recipe.
This one looks nice but it's a lot of bits 'n' bobs to take along. https://www.bbc.co.uk/food/recipes/da...tas_8651.shtml
This one looks nice but it's a lot of bits 'n' bobs to take along. https://www.bbc.co.uk/food/recipes/da...tas_8651.shtml
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I`ve been using a homemade alcohol stove lately too- a much simpler version than the penny or popcan versions. Mine is just an empty can with two rows of holes punched around the top and it does a nice job. I haven`t used it in STRONG wind, but it doesn`t have much problem with a stiff breeze. The latest experiment was an additional simmering stove made from a tuna can (much more fuel capacity) and with fewer holes (not quite so hot). That one passed muster cooking pasta/rice dishes for two last week, but it did consume a lot more Heet than simply boiling water for oatmeal, instant soup, tea, etc.
That sounds like what I`m getting at for my next step, but I`m not sure I understand. Do you mean you boil it and wrap the pot and all in some kind of insulator, then wait another fifteen minutes or so? Instant rice, or just whatever you find?
That sounds like what I`m getting at for my next step, but I`m not sure I understand. Do you mean you boil it and wrap the pot and all in some kind of insulator, then wait another fifteen minutes or so? Instant rice, or just whatever you find?
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I've toured in China with a Mini Trangia and was very happy with the results. The cooking set included with the Mini Trangia is excellent for a solo tourer.
Apparently the 95% alcohol (readily-available in supermarkets and hardware stores in western countries) is found at hospitals and medical clinics in China.
I buy 100ml bottles of 56% Chinese vodka for less than 50c each. The stuff is disgusting and perfectly suited for burning! Cooks slower and uses more fuel than the almost-pure alcohol. The main advantage is this liquid is available in even the smallest, most remote towns in China. It is fantastic in warm or cool weather but I've had a lot of trouble keeping the flame alight in cold temperatures - it just keeps going out, or even worse, won't light at all if the temperature is really cold.
Apparently the 95% alcohol (readily-available in supermarkets and hardware stores in western countries) is found at hospitals and medical clinics in China.
I buy 100ml bottles of 56% Chinese vodka for less than 50c each. The stuff is disgusting and perfectly suited for burning! Cooks slower and uses more fuel than the almost-pure alcohol. The main advantage is this liquid is available in even the smallest, most remote towns in China. It is fantastic in warm or cool weather but I've had a lot of trouble keeping the flame alight in cold temperatures - it just keeps going out, or even worse, won't light at all if the temperature is really cold.
