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Old 10-05-09, 02:07 AM   #1
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Marathon XR discontinued

According to a thread on CGOAB (Thread) The legendary Marathon XR is to be laid to rest...(Actually can't envisage a logical reason why Schwalbe would do this...?)

As further proof, it isn't listed in their Euro catalogue, but a new tyre is...the 'Marathon Dureme" along with the 'Supreme', 'Extreme'. I guess the Marathon XR didn't rhyme with 'theme' so they had to cut it...

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According to a thread on CGOAB (Thread) The legendary Marathon XR is to be laid to rest...(Actually can't envisage a logical reason why Schwalbe would do this...?)

As further proof, it isn't listed in their Euro catalogue, but a new tyre is...the 'Marathon Dureme" along with the 'Supreme', 'Extreme'. I guess the Marathon XR didn't rhyme with 'theme' so they had to cut it...

Stock up while you have the chance!!!
The real question of course, is the new Dureme simply a renamed XR???
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Old 10-05-09, 06:50 AM   #3
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The real question of course, is the new Dureme simply a renamed XR???
That was the first thing I thought of.....

The second was.....Dureme sounds like the name of a condom brand. Guess it makes sense though, if they break you are going to have a bad day.
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The Dureme appears to be an on/off road version of the Supreme. . . . certainly not just a renamed XR. It still comes in the XR sizes though.

compare .... the Dureme uses the same technology as the Supreme.
http://www.schwalbetires.com/content/title-8
http://www.schwalbe.com/gbl/en/produ...oint=Tour/City
http://www.schwalbetires.com/marathon_supreme


It weighs a wopping 235 grams less than the XR. . . From the lighter sidewalls and less tread rubber. They should drop the price $20 too from these overpriced tires.

One tire under the radar comparable to the XR is the Vittoria Randdoneur .... made in up to 700x48. These come with REI's Safari bike I believe. Half the price too.

http://www.amazon.com/Vittoria-Rando.../dp/B000OERSPC
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OK, so whats the difference between the Durene and the Extreme? And the Supreme? No clearing of the very muddy water here. Other than Brooks saddles, there is no more coveted cycle touring component than the XR. Why would Schwalbe mess with success?
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Old 10-05-09, 08:38 AM   #6
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You can still buy most sizes of XR on the Schwalbe North America site.



I'm using some 26 x 2.0" Extremes on my Thorn and they are a nice tire. I can't honestly tell much difference between them and my XRs, but I haven't run them back to back on the same bike.

I've tried the Supremes in 26 x 1.6" and they are fast, but I wanted more volume for a cushy ride so I gave them to a friend. I'd like to try some 26 x 2.0" Supremes on my Thorn to see what I think. I'm going to sell/trade my Extremes since that bike is staying on the tarmac for the time being and use the $$$ to test out the 2.0" Supremes.

I've currently got XRs on my LHT and my Surly Big Dummy. I think I have a spare of each size in my parts bin so I'll be able to keep rolling on XRs for a while.

I'll be sad to see the XRs go...they've been excellent tires for me. OTOH between the Supremes and Extremes I feel like my touring tires needs are well covered.
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Other than Brooks saddles, there is no more coveted cycle touring component than the XR. Why would Schwalbe mess with success?
I think Schwalbe's product line has long been a super-confusing mess. Great tires, but too many overlapping models with slightly different names that change every couple of years. I wish I could get back all the time I've spent staring at their website trying to figure out the differences among their tires.

In any case, I doubt that the XR was a big "success." Given the many different models of tires they make, they probably sold relatively few of the XR's, and they're likely calculating if they clean up their product line they'll have fewer stray models to keep track of.

The Schwalbe North American rep posts on BikeForums relatively frequently - if you sent them an email they might respond.
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I think Schwalbe's product line has long been a super-confusing mess. Great tires, but too many overlapping models with slightly different names that change every couple of years. I wish I could get back all the time I've spent staring at their website trying to figure out the differences among their tires.
+1. All the various Marathons are a mess. It's OK if you know which one you want. But they haven't really made much effort into making it clear to someone not familiar with their products.

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I've tried the Supremes in 26 x 1.6" and they are fast, but I wanted more volume for a cushy ride so I gave them to a friend. I'd like to try some 26 x 2.0" Supremes on my Thorn to see what I think. I'm going to sell/trade my Extremes since that bike is staying on the tarmac for the time being and use the $$$ to test out the 2.0" Supremes.
I'm curious to hear about the 2.0 supremes. I am a big fan of big apples. My wife rides the schwalbe 'city plus' at 1.75 and they seem to run much worse at lower pressures so she keeps them maxed out, vs I am happy running BAs close to their minimum pressure. Could be difference in sidewall flex, I don't know what. Anyway, I wonder how the m supremes do across their posted range of pressures. I have 700x32 supremes that I am happiest running 70-80 psi (stated range 55-95 psi)

Oh yes I am also curious to hear if the 2.0 supremes are actually 2.0; the 26x2.0 BAs are 2.0, my 700x32 supremes are actually 30mm at my pressures, and the 20x2.0 BAs I've seen are 1.75.
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BTW, over at CrazyGuyonaBike, there is a similar thread, and someone posted the 2010 Marathon Catalog. It's a PDF from their German site, but in English. I is (I think) 57 pages long (!), but has some charts and graphs that help clear up some of the differences among their products.

Interestingly, it's not laid out at all like their North American website. So if you have a spare afternoon you can spend it leafing through the catalog and trying to cross-reference it against the North American website, and then try to find a dealer who stocks any of it.

Or you can go on a bike ride.
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Schwalbe's tire line up and North American website can be confusing at first. OTOH I don't think it takes that long to figure things out and given the rate at which things change it's not exactly a full time job staying up to date on the tire ranges that interest you...

So far I've been quite pleased with the majority of Schwalbe tires I've tried. If I had to choose between great tires or a killer website/PR campaign I'd take the great tires every time.
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Vik, some of us have limited brain cells to figure this stuff out; I guess I'll email you next time!

There is a serious issue with product-line proliferation - if consumers are confused, dealers are confused as well. Dealers want things simple -- and when you look at the number of sizes they offer, the range of tires, the similar-sound names, the name changes every couple of years -- then dealers just throw up their hands and pick a few styles to stock and move on. There are some *great* bike shops here in Seattle and the ones that stock Schwalbe just seem to pick a style or two to stock, and usually in incomplete sizes.

Then a customer visits a "Schwalbe dealer" and finds out that the dealer is just familiar with a style or two, not the full (confusing) range that is in the catalog. Customer gets frustrated, and either buys a sub-optimal model because that's what is in stock, or goes online to buy the tire - dealer loses a customer.

I last ordered Schwalbe tires online about two weeks ago. I got the model name and number from the Schwalbe website. I found an online dealer that had the same product number, but the title on their webiste was slightly different, and kind of confusing. I crossed my fingers and bought the tires...when they finally arrived I opened the package and cross-checked everything to make sure I had the right tires. But I just as easily could have had the wrong ones.

In my business experience, if product lines are confusing to the customer, they're confusing to all the trading partners in the distribution channel as well. It results in poor stocking positions by dealers, customer confusion, and customer returns. In fact, that's why manufacturers sometimes find they do *more* business with fewer models -- it sometimes narrows choice for the consumer but improves execution all the way through the supply chain.

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OK, so whats the difference between the Durene and the Extreme? And the Supreme? No clearing of the very muddy water here. Other than Brooks saddles, there is no more coveted cycle touring component than the XR. Why would Schwalbe mess with success?

It appears they are doing like everyone does these days ...... cut back on manufacturing. Use one casing technology for multiple tires. The Marathon Supreme, Dureme and Extreme appear to be of the same tire construction, but with different treads only.

Look at the specs:
-SnakeSkin + HD Ceramic Guard = Double Defense
-Triple Nano compound
They all weigh within grams of each other.

They are the same tires, with your choice of treads.
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One negative is that they were producing XRs in 700 x 50 but are only doing the extremes up t o700 x 45 I think. Whey are they not doing the nice wide widths in 700 but they do in 559?
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