Cycling and bicycle discussion forums. 
   Click here to join our community Log in to access your Control Panel  


Go Back   > >

Touring Have a dream to ride a bike across your state, across the country, or around the world? Self-contained or fully supported? Trade ideas, adventures, and more in our bicycle touring forum.

User Tag List

Reply
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread
Old 11-19-09, 10:50 PM   #1
neilfein
Senior Member
Thread Starter
 
neilfein's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2007
Location: Highland Park, NJ, USA
Bikes: "Hildy", a Novara Randonee touring bike; a 16-speed Bike Friday Tikit; and a Specialized Stumpjumper frame-based built-up MTB, now serving as the kid-carrier, grocery-getter.
Posts: 3,788
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 7 Post(s)
My DC to Philadelphia tour plan

So, I have two days off after the Thanksgiving weekend, and my wife doesn't have the time off ...what to do? Well, a tour, of course, but where?

I decided on DC as a starting point because I can crash at my in-laws (and I actually like them).
  • Day 0 - travel day.
  • Day 1 - DC to Columbia, MD where I'll stay at my cousin's house. 33 miles, 2000+ feet of climbing. Yikes!
  • Day 2 - Columbia to Bel Air - I have a Warm Showers host lined up for this night. Another 2000' of climbing, but over a longer distance - 49 miles. Still... yikes! and away!
  • Day 3 - Bel Air to Havre de Grace and then on to Newark, DE, 35 miles. I have another Warm Showers host waiting for me here. Thanks to The Historian who pointed out the bridge at Havre De Grace and the bike shop that operates a shuttle across the bridge for cyclists.
  • Day 4 - Newark, DE to Philadelphia, PA - 44 miles. The roads through Delaware are tricky - I wanted to go through Wilmington and along the coast, but the roads don't look rideable. I looked at the East Coast Greenway route through this area, but it meanders a lot - particularly through Delaware. (I probably would have taken it if this weren't a work night.)
I'd appreciate any suggestions, particularly on the last two days!
__________________
Tour Journals, Blog, ride pix

My bands:
Uke On! - ukulele duo - Youtube channel

Ukulele Abyss - ukulele cover videos - Youtube channel

My celtic folk fusion band Baroque and Hungry's full-length studio album "Mended", available for download.

Artistic Differences - 8-track EP "Dreams of Bile and Blood" now available for download.

Last edited by neilfein; 11-24-09 at 08:19 PM. Reason: Update map links
neilfein is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-20-09, 12:08 AM   #2
Neil_B
Guest
 
Bikes:
Posts: n/a
Mentioned: Post(s)
Tagged: Thread(s)
Quoted: Post(s)
Quote:
Originally Posted by neilfein View Post
[*]Day 2 - Bel Air to Havre de Grace and then on to Newark, DE, 35 miles. I have another Warm Showers host waiting for me here. Thanks to The Historian who pointed out the bridge at Havre De Grace and the bike shop that operates a shuttle across the bridge for cyclists.[*]Day 4 - Newark, DE to Philadelphia, PA - 44 miles. The roads through Delaware are tricky - I wanted to go through Wilmington and along the coast, but the roads don't look rideable. I looked at the East Coast Greenway route through this area, but it meanders a lot - particularly through Delaware. (I probably would have taken it if this weren't a work night.)[/LIST]
I'd appreciate any suggestions, particularly on the last two days!
Bring your climbing legs. Northern Delaware is about as hilly as northern Chester County, and you recall how that is. Incidentally the spot you cross Rt. 52 is one mile from where my tour ended in June.

Wilmington is indeed a pain. It's a pretty city, but it's all rises and highway ramps.

BTW, if you find the final day too much, grab the SEPTA R3 at Ellwyn, Media,, Rose Valley, Wallingford, Secane, or Swarthmore. It runs into 30th Street.
  Reply With Quote
Old 11-20-09, 07:57 AM   #3
neilfein
Senior Member
Thread Starter
 
neilfein's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2007
Location: Highland Park, NJ, USA
Bikes: "Hildy", a Novara Randonee touring bike; a 16-speed Bike Friday Tikit; and a Specialized Stumpjumper frame-based built-up MTB, now serving as the kid-carrier, grocery-getter.
Posts: 3,788
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 7 Post(s)
Quote:
Originally Posted by The Historian View Post
BTW, if you find the final day too much, grab the SEPTA R3 at Ellwyn, Media,, Rose Valley, Wallingford, Secane, or Swarthmore. It runs into 30th Street.
That's my plan; much of my route for that day stays reasonably close to the SEPTA tracks. If anything, I'm worried about the first and second days the most.
__________________
Tour Journals, Blog, ride pix

My bands:
Uke On! - ukulele duo - Youtube channel

Ukulele Abyss - ukulele cover videos - Youtube channel

My celtic folk fusion band Baroque and Hungry's full-length studio album "Mended", available for download.

Artistic Differences - 8-track EP "Dreams of Bile and Blood" now available for download.

Last edited by neilfein; 11-24-09 at 08:22 PM. Reason: Spelling
neilfein is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-20-09, 08:11 AM   #4
Neil_B
Guest
 
Bikes:
Posts: n/a
Mentioned: Post(s)
Tagged: Thread(s)
Quoted: Post(s)
Quote:
Originally Posted by neilfein View Post
That's my plan; much of my route for that day stays reasonably close to the SEPTA tracks. If anything, I'm worried about the forst and second days the most.
There's DC Metro for some of the route while you are in and around DC.

I don't think you have anything to worry about. You're pretty tough, Neil.
  Reply With Quote
Old 11-20-09, 11:26 AM   #5
Standalone 
babylon by bike
 
Standalone's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2007
Location: New Haven, CT, USA
Bikes: Road, Cargo, Tandem, Etc.
Posts: 3,118
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 16 Post(s)
Recommend something more like this for the North East to Newark segment.

Newark/Elkton is my hometown. I spent years and years doing many 20/30/40 mile rides back in the pre-driver's license days. Taking a little more time, I could plot out some more alternatives for you. Route 40 is no fun, and there are many nicer rural roads to take in the area. I imagine a lot of your other route could be similarly altered. I'll look at your Newark to points north route next...

http://maps.google.com/maps?f=d&sour...44014&t=h&z=11
__________________
The bicycle, the bicycle surely, should always be the vehicle of novelists and poets. Christopher Morley
Standalone is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-20-09, 11:40 AM   #6
Standalone 
babylon by bike
 
Standalone's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2007
Location: New Haven, CT, USA
Bikes: Road, Cargo, Tandem, Etc.
Posts: 3,118
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 16 Post(s)
OK, I looked at your Newark to Philly route, and you've made the right choice to head north of Newark on Paper Mill and cut over through the woods/farmland/suburbs around Hockessin. It's nice rolling country through there. As your route moves further east towards Media PA, I'm less familliar with it, but it looks like you have the right idea.

The coast near Wilmington is pretty much just a rail line that runs along the Delaware. You're right to avoid this long strip of industrial/dangerous ex-industrial urban residential that runs from Wilmington right on up to Philly.

There is very nice coastal riding in Delaware the beaches or the middle of the state on up to Newark, but that is not where your route takes you.

An alternate way to go from DC to Newark would be to cross the Chesapeake and head up the Delmarva penninsula. I did two MS 150's when I was 12 and then 13 that ran from Smyrna to Dewey Beach and back.

Beautiful, flat, scenic coastal salt marsh riding with lots of fresh air. I think you come up Route 9 and it takes you right up into Newark. Designated scenic drive.

This would avoid some tough DC/Baltimore area riding and take you over through Annapolis and then over to Milford, DE (a little detour) and up around dover and on up through Delaware.

Extra distance, but fewer hills and less urban riding... otherwise most of the rural riding you'll do is from Havre De Grace to up near the Philly Suburbs.

Enjoy your trip!

edit: I didn't see the stay planned for your cousin's house... at any rate, the North East to Newark suggestion should make for a nicer ride. Route 40 is a big boring divided highway that runs through a lot of suburban Shopping in places...
__________________
The bicycle, the bicycle surely, should always be the vehicle of novelists and poets. Christopher Morley

Last edited by Standalone; 11-20-09 at 11:45 AM. Reason: clarification
Standalone is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-20-09, 04:57 PM   #7
neilfein
Senior Member
Thread Starter
 
neilfein's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2007
Location: Highland Park, NJ, USA
Bikes: "Hildy", a Novara Randonee touring bike; a 16-speed Bike Friday Tikit; and a Specialized Stumpjumper frame-based built-up MTB, now serving as the kid-carrier, grocery-getter.
Posts: 3,788
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 7 Post(s)
Quote:
Originally Posted by Standalone View Post
Recommend something more like this for the North East to Newark segment.

Newark/Elkton is my hometown. I spent years and years doing many 20/30/40 mile rides back in the pre-driver's license days. Taking a little more time, I could plot out some more alternatives for you. Route 40 is no fun, and there are many nicer rural roads to take in the area. I imagine a lot of your other route could be similarly altered. I'll look at your Newark to points north route next...

http://maps.google.com/maps?f=d&sour...44014&t=h&z=11
Ooh, this looks nice! Thanks, I'm gonna use this.
__________________
Tour Journals, Blog, ride pix

My bands:
Uke On! - ukulele duo - Youtube channel

Ukulele Abyss - ukulele cover videos - Youtube channel

My celtic folk fusion band Baroque and Hungry's full-length studio album "Mended", available for download.

Artistic Differences - 8-track EP "Dreams of Bile and Blood" now available for download.
neilfein is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-20-09, 05:06 PM   #8
neilfein
Senior Member
Thread Starter
 
neilfein's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2007
Location: Highland Park, NJ, USA
Bikes: "Hildy", a Novara Randonee touring bike; a 16-speed Bike Friday Tikit; and a Specialized Stumpjumper frame-based built-up MTB, now serving as the kid-carrier, grocery-getter.
Posts: 3,788
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 7 Post(s)
Quote:
Originally Posted by Standalone View Post
An alternate way to go from DC to Newark would be to cross the Chesapeake and head up the Delmarva penninsula. I did two MS 150's when I was 12 and then 13 that ran from Smyrna to Dewey Beach and back.

Beautiful, flat, scenic coastal salt marsh riding with lots of fresh air. I think you come up Route 9 and it takes you right up into Newark. Designated scenic drive.
Funny you should mention that. I may save that for a future tour, except on the eastern coast - something like this from Kitty Hawk, NC to Cape May, NJ. The Chesapeake Bay Bridge-Tunnel doesn't allow bikes, but I want to ride across it if they ever have another event where they shut down the bridge to traffic so bikes can cross.
__________________
Tour Journals, Blog, ride pix

My bands:
Uke On! - ukulele duo - Youtube channel

Ukulele Abyss - ukulele cover videos - Youtube channel

My celtic folk fusion band Baroque and Hungry's full-length studio album "Mended", available for download.

Artistic Differences - 8-track EP "Dreams of Bile and Blood" now available for download.
neilfein is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-24-09, 07:25 PM   #9
neilfein
Senior Member
Thread Starter
 
neilfein's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2007
Location: Highland Park, NJ, USA
Bikes: "Hildy", a Novara Randonee touring bike; a 16-speed Bike Friday Tikit; and a Specialized Stumpjumper frame-based built-up MTB, now serving as the kid-carrier, grocery-getter.
Posts: 3,788
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 7 Post(s)
I dropped the bike off at Amtrak shipping in Newark today. It cost me $30 - $5 luggage fee (you have to show your ticket, or it costs more), $15 for the bike box, and $10 for insurance (they charge you extra for any declared values over $500).

I pulled off the pedals and removed the handlebars - they tell you to just loosen them and turn them sideways, but it wouldn't fit in the box that way - I have fairly large drop bars. After I did all that, I rolled it into the box, tossed in the pedal wrench and two water bottles, taped it up, gave them money, and signed a claim check form. It should be waiting for me when I arrive in DC on Friday. All told, the traffic getting to Newark was the hardest part; the actual packing was fairly painless.
__________________
Tour Journals, Blog, ride pix

My bands:
Uke On! - ukulele duo - Youtube channel

Ukulele Abyss - ukulele cover videos - Youtube channel

My celtic folk fusion band Baroque and Hungry's full-length studio album "Mended", available for download.

Artistic Differences - 8-track EP "Dreams of Bile and Blood" now available for download.
neilfein is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-25-09, 02:51 PM   #10
tom cotter
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Dec 2002
Location: Cherry Hill,NJ
Bikes:
Posts: 1,172
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
I'd stay off Rt 40 on the Perryville/Newark leg. If you continue on the road you take out of Perryville it will take into Northeast. From there it's a short distance, a mile or two, to RT40 and the previously planned route. After you cross Rt40 there is a serious hill, so bring your climbing legs.

About your Outer Banks tour: I too am planning a tour that will take me to and through the Outer banks . I'm starting from Cherry Hill NJ and riding south via Cape May. My route looks alot like yours with exception of how to get across the Chesepeake Bay. My route takes me to Crisfield Maryland where I'll take the ferry to Tangiers Island. From there i'll grab the afternoon ferry to Reedville Virginia. It will blow out a day, but it gets me across without any outside help. Something to note, few if any roads in Virginia have shoulders or for that matter, roads with a fog line. Should make it interesting for a day or so!

Good luck this weekend!
tom cotter is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-02-09, 11:20 AM   #11
neilfein
Senior Member
Thread Starter
 
neilfein's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2007
Location: Highland Park, NJ, USA
Bikes: "Hildy", a Novara Randonee touring bike; a 16-speed Bike Friday Tikit; and a Specialized Stumpjumper frame-based built-up MTB, now serving as the kid-carrier, grocery-getter.
Posts: 3,788
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 7 Post(s)

Rock Creek Park in Washington, DC. The trail gets very narrow here.


...as you can see. Yes, this is actually part of the trail.


July Drive, passing over Maryland route 29. Google maps directed me here; it's now a dog-walking park


This is pretty typical of most roads in the Columbia, MD area


Horse farm in Riderwood, MD. I meant to focus on the horse, but I love how this turned out.



a quickr pickr post
__________________
Tour Journals, Blog, ride pix

My bands:
Uke On! - ukulele duo - Youtube channel

Ukulele Abyss - ukulele cover videos - Youtube channel

My celtic folk fusion band Baroque and Hungry's full-length studio album "Mended", available for download.

Artistic Differences - 8-track EP "Dreams of Bile and Blood" now available for download.
neilfein is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-02-09, 11:27 AM   #12
neilfein
Senior Member
Thread Starter
 
neilfein's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2007
Location: Highland Park, NJ, USA
Bikes: "Hildy", a Novara Randonee touring bike; a 16-speed Bike Friday Tikit; and a Specialized Stumpjumper frame-based built-up MTB, now serving as the kid-carrier, grocery-getter.
Posts: 3,788
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 7 Post(s)

Reckord, MD - I think on Harford road. Far and away the hardest hill I encountered on this tour. I'm proud to say I made it almost all the way up!


Capitol Trail (routes 2 and 72) outside of Newark, DE at the intersection with South Dilwyn Road. Where Capitol Trail actually had a shoulder, it was very good riding. I got off the highway as soon as I could.


Wooddale Bridge over the Red Clay Creek. Foxhill Lane and West Rolling Mill Road in Wilmington, DE. See this picture for the bridge's history


Hildy at Wooddalle Bridge in Wilmington DE. You can see the stem extension that Bller's Bikes added.


Smith's Bridge over the Brandywine Creek near Centerville, DE



a quickr pickr post
__________________
Tour Journals, Blog, ride pix

My bands:
Uke On! - ukulele duo - Youtube channel

Ukulele Abyss - ukulele cover videos - Youtube channel

My celtic folk fusion band Baroque and Hungry's full-length studio album "Mended", available for download.

Artistic Differences - 8-track EP "Dreams of Bile and Blood" now available for download.

Last edited by neilfein; 12-02-09 at 11:55 AM.
neilfein is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-02-09, 11:28 AM   #13
neilfein
Senior Member
Thread Starter
 
neilfein's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2007
Location: Highland Park, NJ, USA
Bikes: "Hildy", a Novara Randonee touring bike; a 16-speed Bike Friday Tikit; and a Specialized Stumpjumper frame-based built-up MTB, now serving as the kid-carrier, grocery-getter.
Posts: 3,788
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 7 Post(s)

Hildy at Philadelphia 30th Street Station. I'm done!



a quickr pickr post
__________________
Tour Journals, Blog, ride pix

My bands:
Uke On! - ukulele duo - Youtube channel

Ukulele Abyss - ukulele cover videos - Youtube channel

My celtic folk fusion band Baroque and Hungry's full-length studio album "Mended", available for download.

Artistic Differences - 8-track EP "Dreams of Bile and Blood" now available for download.
neilfein is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-02-09, 12:39 PM   #14
staehpj1 
Senior Member
 
staehpj1's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2006
Location: Tallahassee, FL
Bikes:
Posts: 8,897
Mentioned: 1 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 22 Post(s)
You might consider Rt 1 and the Conowingo Dam rather than going to Havre de Gras unless HdG is a goal for some reason.

If stopping in Parkville would be an advantage we could offer a bed and a meal. Your route has you within about a mile of us when you are at Cromwell Bridge Road and 695.
staehpj1 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-02-09, 01:35 PM   #15
neilfein
Senior Member
Thread Starter
 
neilfein's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2007
Location: Highland Park, NJ, USA
Bikes: "Hildy", a Novara Randonee touring bike; a 16-speed Bike Friday Tikit; and a Specialized Stumpjumper frame-based built-up MTB, now serving as the kid-carrier, grocery-getter.
Posts: 3,788
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 7 Post(s)
Thanks, but I've completed the tour already.

A local cyslist did mention the dam to me. It sounds beautiful, but pretty stressful to ride on.
__________________
Tour Journals, Blog, ride pix

My bands:
Uke On! - ukulele duo - Youtube channel

Ukulele Abyss - ukulele cover videos - Youtube channel

My celtic folk fusion band Baroque and Hungry's full-length studio album "Mended", available for download.

Artistic Differences - 8-track EP "Dreams of Bile and Blood" now available for download.
neilfein is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-02-09, 01:46 PM   #16
staehpj1 
Senior Member
 
staehpj1's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2006
Location: Tallahassee, FL
Bikes:
Posts: 8,897
Mentioned: 1 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 22 Post(s)
Quote:
Originally Posted by neilfein View Post
Thanks, but I've completed the tour already.
OOPS! I should have realized that. For some reason I was thinking that the pictures you posted were someone else's pictures of the route. Sorry I didn't make the offer sooner.

Anyway I hope you had a great trip. As far as route 1 goes... I find it really pleasant and the dam isn't terrible, but yeah not for the squeamish.
staehpj1 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-02-09, 01:53 PM   #17
staehpj1 
Senior Member
 
staehpj1's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2006
Location: Tallahassee, FL
Bikes:
Posts: 8,897
Mentioned: 1 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 22 Post(s)
Quote:
Originally Posted by neilfein View Post
Reckord, MD - I think on Harford road. Far and away the hardest hill I encountered on this tour. I'm proud to say I made it almost all the way up!
I am surprised that was the hardest, I would have guess that some earlier in your trip would have been worse. Overall Harford Road is nice riding though. That section is on most of my longish day rides. I feel fortunate to have such nice riding so close to home.
staehpj1 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-03-09, 09:46 AM   #18
Neil_B
Guest
 
Bikes:
Posts: n/a
Mentioned: Post(s)
Tagged: Thread(s)
Quoted: Post(s)
Welcome back, Neil! And thanks for the photos of the covered bridges. I missed them when I toured Delaware this summer. :-(
  Reply With Quote
Old 12-03-09, 12:23 PM   #19
neilfein
Senior Member
Thread Starter
 
neilfein's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2007
Location: Highland Park, NJ, USA
Bikes: "Hildy", a Novara Randonee touring bike; a 16-speed Bike Friday Tikit; and a Specialized Stumpjumper frame-based built-up MTB, now serving as the kid-carrier, grocery-getter.
Posts: 3,788
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 7 Post(s)
Quote:
Originally Posted by staehpj1 View Post
I am surprised that was the hardest, I would have guess that some earlier in your trip would have been worse.
There were hills that were longer, and hills that were steeper. How hard a hill is to climb is determined by how warmed up I am, how tired I am, etc.
__________________
Tour Journals, Blog, ride pix

My bands:
Uke On! - ukulele duo - Youtube channel

Ukulele Abyss - ukulele cover videos - Youtube channel

My celtic folk fusion band Baroque and Hungry's full-length studio album "Mended", available for download.

Artistic Differences - 8-track EP "Dreams of Bile and Blood" now available for download.
neilfein is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply


Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off



All times are GMT -6. The time now is 01:50 PM.