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Old 01-10-10, 07:35 AM   #1
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LHT or this bike.....

Hello all,

What does everyone think of this bike-

http://www.konaworld.com/bike.cfm?content=sutra

it is in the price range of a LHT, so I think comparisons can be made, but what do we think?
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This one for $799.99

Novara Randonee on sale now. Just a thought. What I would pick as best bang for the buck anywhere at this time. Great return policy as well.
http://www.rei.com/product/776887
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Looks good.
It has road bike gearing.
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The REI would be better for touring, but could you stand the color?
I guess I could for the low price.
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The REI would be better for touring, but could you stand the color?
I guess I could for the low price.
People ride LHT's all the time.... Much different 10 Wheels?
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I like LHT's. They are a very good touring bikes.
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I like LHT's. They are a very good touring bike.
Myself as well.... It's just that touring bikes seem to have a color disorder.
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This one for $799.99

Novara Randonee on sale now. Just a thought. What I would pick as best bang for the buck anywhere at this time. Great return policy as well.
http://www.rei.com/product/776887
Thanks for the heads up... I don't think I'd get the Novara, just doesn't seem like a great long tour bike... but I agree-- REI IS THE BEST!!! I love that store
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Yea, Snot Green, Yuk
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Thanks for the heads up... I don't think I'd get the Novara, just doesn't seem like a great long tour bike... but I agree-- REI IS THE BEST!!! I love that store

I rode a Cannondale T-1 4,000 miles last summer. ($2,500 with extras)
The LHT's were better bikes.
The road gearing on the CD T-1 was not the best for touring.
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Thanks for the heads up... I don't think I'd get the Novara, just doesn't seem like a great long tour bike... but I agree-- REI IS THE BEST!!! I love that store

Really the only thing about it some tourists might not like are the STI shifters.. I like them but it's all about what you want to ride. Pull them off and sell them for at least $100 on ebay and install bar end shifters if that is what you like. Will end up costing you nothing to upgrade if that is what you consider bar ends.

Just a thought. You'll save enough money for a nice set of Ortliebs if you need panniers and your ready to tour.

Just thinking with my fingers.
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I like my LHT a lot and you can't beat surly for customer service. I had a nice rack problem and my email was answered within 20 minutes and a replacement sent to my lbs quickly.
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I ride a LHT but the Kona is a great looking bike. I'm not a fan of disc brakes for touring just because of the mechanical advantage you have with rim brakes while carrying a heavy load. If you ride in really muddy conditions, disc brakes make sense as they stay cleaner than rims will. Disc brakes came into vogue on cross and mtb bikes where muddy conditions are the norm. I bought a LHT frame only and did a custom build based on the Koga Miyata World Traveler w/ a few additional upgrades. The Surly frame is solid as I'm sure the Kona is as well. I like the fact that the LHT gives me a lot of tire width options as well as the spare spoke holder and frame pump pin.
And....don't forget the huge community of LHT riders that can help you with any imaginable question with your bike.
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They are equally good touring bikes. Comes down to which has the most personal preferences.

Most bang for the buck in a new bike is probably the lowly Windsor Tourist when it's sized right.

Rarely will any stock bike be perfect for any individual. Stuff will need tweaking. Most likely bar height, stem length, gear ratios, saddle. For those outside the body geometry 'sweet spot,' can be cheaper and better to build out a frame than buy stock.
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I had my eye on Kona Sutra frame since I'm fan of disc brakes and the frame is $400 on eBay. But later I kind of decided to stick to MTB stuff. But I still have some thinking to do, my touring may not even happen this year But Sutra is definitely on my watch list. Or LHT if they have disc version.

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What's the advantage?

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Hello all,

What does everyone think of this bike-

http://www.konaworld.com/bike.cfm?content=sutra


it is in the price range of a LHT, so I think comparisons can be made, but what do we think?
You can do your own comparisons by looking at the specifications on paper and looking at how they are different.

Some things are obvious about the two bikes: Kona Disc, Surly LHT is rim brakes. There are at least a dozen threads here debating disc vs. rim.

Another obvious thing is some significant differences in geometry. The chainstays and wheelbase of the Kona are significantly shorter than on the Surly LHT. For me (I have big feet, and I like a long wheel base touring bike), they are too short. I wouldn't even consider the Kona as a result.

However, if you test rode the bike, it might work for you.
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The Kona Sutra was one of my choices too, but I did not like the discs as well as the sloping top tube. Went with the LHT and I love the bike. Did my first tour this weekend - just back in fact.
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I had my eye on Kona Sutra frame since I'm fan of disc brakes and the frame is $400 on eBay. But later I kind of decided to stick to MTB stuff. But I still have some thinking to do, my touring may not even happen this year But Sutra is definitely on my watch list. Or LHT if they have disc version.



What's the advantage?

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Rim brakes simply provide a greater lever arm for stopping a rotational mass requiring less pad pressure, less wear. You could also argue that disc's add weight and require special hubs and frame / fork attachments where rim brakes are much more common. Do disc's work? of course they do, but from a touring bike standpoint, I'd rather be trying to find rim brake parts in BFE than disc brake parts. My point isn't a good/bad argument, it's just what I prefer.
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Looks good.
It has road bike gearing.
Second that.

This bike comes with fenders, but not the racks?

Personally, I'm not a fan of disk brakes, but you should always get what you want.
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This one for $799.99

Novara Randonee on sale now. Just a thought. What I would pick as best bang for the buck anywhere at this time. Great return policy as well.
http://www.rei.com/product/776887
The Randonee has a pretty funky stem set up so any adjustment for length or and such is going to require replacement of more than just a stem. I don't see the "how" in the statement that its better for touring than the Kona. Both bikes are built with touring in mind.

Don't forget about the Soma Saga either. Another nice frameset (some shops offer a complete bike) for touring at a real nice price.
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The Randonee has a pretty funky stem set up so any adjustment for length or and such is going to require replacement of more than just a stem. I don't see the "how" in the statement that its better for touring than the Kona. Both bikes are built with touring in mind.

Don't forget about the Soma Saga either. Another nice frameset (some shops offer a complete bike) for touring at a real nice price.
Kona has road gearing 50/39/30 chain rings
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Kona has road gearing 50/39/30 chain rings
And a 11-32 rear cassette to the Randonee's 11-28. I'm not a Kona fan or anything...I'd probably opt for a Raleigh Sojourn if I was in that market but the Kona is every bit as good gear wise as the REI product - the differences are minor.

I'm still hoping to build a Soma Saga frame if I decide to go with a dedicated road tourer. I'm going to give the Fargo a shot at it first.
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I toured 4,000 miles with the 50/39/30 and the LHT's left me in the dust on all the hills.
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I toured 4,000 miles with the 50/39/30 and the LHT's left me in the dust on all the hills.
What was the rear gearing you used? You are pointing to a difference of 4 gear inches. You can't just quote front gearing without considering the rear as well.
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What was the rear gearing you used? You are pointing to a difference of 4 gear inches. You can't just quote front gearing without considering the rear as well.
50/39/30 10Speed with 11/32 cassette. The 11 and 12 cogs were usless on the flat roads.
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