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Old 03-19-10, 12:14 PM   #1
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Armed American on bicycle ...

Armed American on bicycle busted after illegally crossing Sask. border.

After all the posts about cycling with a gun here is a story about a guy who tours with 2 guns!

http://www.vancouversun.com/news/Arm...810/story.html
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Old 03-19-10, 12:30 PM   #2
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"What do you mean Canada doesn't have a Second Amendment?!?"
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I like this part:

"the backpack was filled with clothing and it appeared he'd been travelling. Police have yet to determine why the wanderer was over 1,300 kilometres from his home state."

Most of the people I know have the same reaction to bicycle touring. It's just not considered a rational thing to do, so clearly there must be something off with you.
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People who travel are a weird group. You are supposed to be at home working 40+ hours a week and consuming products you don't really need
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Wonder if counties everywhere worry about what floats from their southern neighbors.. Seems there is always spme prejudice about what lies to the south.?.. He was crossing over from Montana.?. Probably moose hunting. Don't do this stunt heading into Mexico.. Mexican jails are not a place to spend one' s vacation...
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I like this part:

"the backpack was filled with clothing and it appeared he'd been travelling. Police have yet to determine why the wanderer was over 1,300 kilometres from his home state."

Most of the people I know have the same reaction to bicycle touring. It's just not considered a rational thing to do, so clearly there must be something off with you.
All true. Nonetheless, this guy was carrying guns and crossing the border illegally... to my way of thinking, that too is a little off.

I know, we on this forum don't all agree on guns, or even what constitutes a bicycle tour, or a bicycle tourist... but was this guy a bicycle tourist? Carrying his stuff in a backpack?
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The guy has no fixed address, so I'm guessing that means "homeless". Maybe he was trying to see what ObamaCare would look like by spending some time in Canadian hospitals?
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He faces charges for customs violations. What is he accused of, smuggling a bicycle into Canada? Ray Wylie Hubbard makes jokes about smuggling books into Arkansas. Maybe it's a similar crime.
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All true. Nonetheless, this guy was carrying guns and crossing the border illegally... to my way of thinking, that too is a little off.

I know, we on this forum don't all agree on guns, or even what constitutes a bicycle tour, or a bicycle tourist... but was this guy a bicycle tourist? Carrying his stuff in a backpack?
I think this is probably the right take...wandering bum. I think pretty much any responsible gun owner knows where he can and can't go...regardless of how they feel about the restrictions.
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Ray Wylie Hubbard makes jokes about smuggling books into Arkansas. .
Hey Delver, is this true??
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but was this guy a bicycle tourist? Carrying his stuff in a backpack?
I have seen people touring with backpacks, but mostly in Europe. Not something I would do unless it was a short trip with very little stuff.
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All true. Nonetheless, this guy was carrying guns and crossing the border illegally... to my way of thinking, that too is a little off.
Considering that all he was carrying was a .22 handgun and a .22 rifle, I have to doubt that he was the most dangerous sort of person imaginable.

My best guess, is that he's just an outdoor wanderer, who finds a box of .22LR cheaper than buying meat. Likely hunted rabbit, pheasant, etc to eat while wandering.

Crossing the boarder illegally? Without a doubt the only way he COULD cross with firearms.
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Firearms Classification

All firearms are classified as non-restricted, restricted or prohibited. If you are a visitor to Canada, you cannot import prohibited firearms under any circumstances. Canadian residents can not import newly acquired prohibited firearms under any circumstances.
Non-restricted firearms include:

  • semi-automatic rifles and shotguns with barrels that are at least 470 mm (18.5 inches) long, and do not otherwise fall into a restricted or prohibited category; and
  • single-shot or manual repeating rifles and shotguns of any length, as long as they are not designed or adapted to be fired when reduced to a length of less than 660 mm (26 inches) by folding, telescoping or other means.
Restricted firearms include:

  • most handguns;
  • semi-automatic rifles and shotguns that are capable of discharging centre-fire ammunition, have barrels between 105 mm (4.14 inches) and 470 mm (18.5 inches) long, and are not otherwise prohibited;
  • firearms designed or adapted to be fired when reduced to a length of less than 660 mm (26 inches) by folding, telescoping or other means; and
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Prohibited firearms include:

  • handguns with barrels less than or equal to 105 mm (4.14 inches) long;
  • handguns designed or adapted to discharge a 25 or 32-calibre cartridge;
  • firearms adapted from rifles or shotguns by sawing, cutting or any other alteration, that, when adapted in this way, are less than 660 mm (26 inches) long or have a barrel that is less than 457 mm (18.5 inches) long;
  • automatic firearms, whether or not altered to fire in the manner of a semi-automatic firearm; and
  • firearms prohibited by regulations.
On the other hand, antique firearms are not considered firearms for licensing and registration purposes. Antique firearms include:
  • any firearms manufactured before 1898 that are not originally designed or redesigned to discharge rim-fire or centre-fire ammunition;
  • long guns manufactured in 1898 or later that are reproductions of flintlock, wheel-lock, or matchlock firearms; and
  • firearms that are classified as antique by regulations.
It's very possible the guns he was carrying were very close to legal.

Edit, that is, if he were not found a USA citizen.

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Probably a homeless wanderer who got lost, perhaps didn't even realize he crossed the border.
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Well cyclezealot: You dont hunt moose with a 22 cal,doubt that would even slow a moose down, from trampling you to death. He will be charged with smuggling fire arms into Canada. Not allowed to carry a hand gun of any sort except with a "permit" to a gun range only and must have it in a locked carry case and must not stop along the way. Must have fire arm aquisition certificate and must be registered including rifles which also have to be in a locked case but dont need a permit to transport. So there will be many charges i suspect. They are trying to get the long gun registery shut down,its a recent thing brought in by left wing govt. Now we have a right wing govt.trying to remove that law. Its one of those burocratic night mare things that cost the tax payers many millions of dollars.
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Well cyclezealot: You dont hunt moose with a 22 cal,doubt that would even slow a moose down, from trampling you to death. He will be charged with smuggling fire arms into Canada. Not allowed to carry a hand gun of any sort except with a "permit" to a gun range only and must have it in a locked carry case and must not stop along the way. Must have fire arm aquisition certificate and must be registered including rifles which also have to be in a locked case but dont need a permit to transport. So there will be many charges i suspect. They are trying to get the long gun registery shut down,its a recent thing brought in by left wing govt. Now we have a right wing govt.trying to remove that law. Its one of those burocratic night mare things that cost the tax payers many millions of dollars.
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Wonder if counties everywhere worry about what floats from their southern neighbors.. Seems there is always spme prejudice about what lies to the south.?.. He was crossing over from Montana.?. Probably moose hunting. Don't do this stunt heading into Mexico.. Mexican jails are not a place to spend one' s vacation...
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He could have crossed at North Dakota; he's from Missouri, not Montana so he was fairly far from his home state to have wandered across the border "accidentally." I would agree that he may well be homeless; however, I think he was nuts to head north when the weather can still be fairly cold.
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He could have crossed at North Dakota; he's from Missouri, not Montana so he was fairly far from his home state to have wandered across the border "accidentally." I would agree that he may well be homeless; however, I think he was nuts to head north when the weather can still be fairly cold.
This screams nuts and/or chemicals to me. I find it very difficult to believe that an even border line competent person can cross the Canadian border without realizing it.
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I've crossed into Canada twice from the US by touring bike. Both times, the Canadian border agents asked me only one real question. "Are you carrying any weapons or firearms?" I truthfully answered no and was on my way with well wishes.

I'd be surprised if there are unposted border crossing points along the US/Canadian border. I don't think he wandered into Canada by accident.
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The comments, posted by (presumably Canadian) readers are hilarious.
Gotta keep it light. Its one of them subjects that has the potential to get outa hand. Theres many on either side of gun control issue up here as in States,and it can get equally volatile.

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I love when topics that are so obviously political in nature don't result in political debate. I'd much rather get advice on ceramic brakes than argue with people when no one is going to change someone else's mind anyway.
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OMG, for Saskatchewan this is probably the crime of the century. This is likely the biggest news since someone got caught not putting money in the parking meter. This will be the talk of the province for years to come. Homeless cyclist with guns invading Canada.... Sometimes you just have to laugh at the news..

PS - I love Saskatchewan, my neighhbors to the east, no offense meant, just having some fun.
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I love when topics that are so obviously political in nature don't result in political debate. I'd much rather get advice on ceramic brakes than argue with people when no one is going to change someone else's mind anyway.
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I have seen people touring with backpacks, but mostly in Europe. Not something I would do unless it was a short trip with very little stuff.
I wear a back pack while touring, a Camel Back,,,,with a 50 cal Kentucky in it.
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