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    2010 Randonee Fit

    Forgive me for talking a little long here, but I just bought a 2010 Novara Randonee. I originally went to REI to test their 2009 Randonee in Large, but it didn't feel right. My seat was way too high, and the bars too low.

    Little background: I am about 5-11 with a cycling inseam of 33 or so. So, I have longer legs and shorter arms. On most modern bikes, I just can't get comfortable. I have a 56cm Cannondale road bike, with about 6" of saddle to bar drop. It is fast, but not the most comfortable for long rides.

    So I wanted something steel, easier to ride, yada yada, and I decided on a Novara Randonee. I wanted to ride an 09, because the price was less. But, come to find out, the 09 Large Randonee is not the same as the 2010 Large Randonee. I thought I was looking at apples to apples.

    So I rode an XL 2010 Randonee. It felt good. It felt better than any bike I have ever been on. I have just a bit of seatpost showing [not much], and the bars are slightly higher than the saddle. I know I need to raise the seat a little bit, but the bars will still be slightly higher.

    I can straddle the XL randonee, and I can lift up the front wheel. The salesman told me that if I could life up the front wheel four inches or so, then it was fine. I have never heard of this metric before, but it sounded reasonable. And the bike just feels good.

    So, now I realize the 09s and 2010s are different. I think that a 2010 Large model would probably raise my seatpost some, and lower the handlebars some. Probably getting them about even. The top tube would be shorter. I would get more standover.

    So, if the bike feels good...
    How important is standover?
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    If you like it and it's comfortable... That's all that matters. I'm 5'10" and ride a Medium. I have lots of seat post showing and about 2" of drop between saddle and bars. I could have made the large fit as well except that I wouldn't have been able to get the drop I need to be comfortable. When touring it's all about comfort before anything else.

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    So, I should mention, I have short arms and longish legs. Even with the bars where they are, I am still in a pretty good position. Tell me, if I were to go to a Large, the top tube would be about an inch shorter, and I am sure the head tube would be shorter. The seat tube would be about 4cm shorter. Might even out the bars and seat, which some people say is most comfortable, but with my body type still might not be right.

    Is standover height that important? And how much standover should I have?

    I can stand flat footed and straddle this bike and lift it up - this is in tennis shoes. Is this enough standover height?
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    Quote Originally Posted by spaceballs View Post
    So, I should mention, I have short arms and longish legs. Even with the bars where they are, I am still in a pretty good position. Tell me, if I were to go to a Large, the top tube would be about an inch shorter, and I am sure the head tube would be shorter. The seat tube would be about 4cm shorter. Might even out the bars and seat, which some people say is most comfortable, but with my body type still might not be right.

    Is standover height that important?
    As long as you don't smash the boys... you're fine If your roadie is pretty aggressive you may find that you still like some saddle to bar drop. Not as aggressive as the Caad but somewhere in the middle.

    My TCR has about 4" of drop. The Randonee not so much but still 2". I could still raise it about 1/2" or lower it the same amount. This is the same setup I had on my 55 Jamis Aurora fit wise. After 10K plus miles including a cross country tour with the Jamis I'm positive I don't like my saddle equal or higher than my saddle.

    When I'm riding into the wind for hours on end... Sitting up in the wind doesn't appeal to me.
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    I think I am going to go back and ride a 2010 Large, just to convince myself I got the right bike.
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    I don't worry about standover height, other than wanting to be able to stand over my top tube with both feet flat on the ground without pushing on anything. I worry about comfort in the riding position, and that my legs are extended enough on the downstroke to get full power.

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    My local REI lets you do pretty extensive test rides. They're not in the greatest area for 'em, but you can definitely do enough distance to see if the bike feels good.

    In your position, I'd test ride the XL. If it left me too stretched out, I'd drop down to the L.

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    Went back and took the 2010 Large out. Same problem as before. I had too much drop, and it just wasn't comfortable with that much weight on my hands.

    The XL isn't THAT big either. Seat tube measured to be 59 c-c and the top tube is about 57. So it isn't really that big. The frame is sort of the compact style, so the measurements aren't ALL that useful. But still pretty useful. Standover is close, but there is room for me to get off the bike and still be able to father children.

    After getting the XL adjusted properly, the bars are about a half inch above the seat, and it just feels good to ride. Thanks for all of your help here! Look forward to seeing you out there.
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    ^^^ Time to adjust the signature
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    I thought I would update this.

    After more careful measurement, my cycling inseam is about 34.5-35 inches and not 33 as I had stated before. This bike lists the standover as 34", and I measure that as well. I can straddle the bike barefoot and pick the whole thing up off the ground an inch or so without causing too much discomfort. So I think it is a good fit, or at least the right size bike for me.

    And here is the weirdest part: when I am up on the bike and riding it, it almost feels too small! When I get it back [in the shop for some repairs], I am planning on flipping the stem or removing a couple of spacers or something to sort of drop the bars an inch or so. While riding as it currently sits, I am far more comfortable in the drops than on the hoods. This is a minor issue, though.

    The gearing is a little weird. While pulling my son in a trailer, I almost ran out of gearing. Since then, I have decided to swap my 105 RD for a Deore and more appropriate cassette [the bike is in the shop for this right now].

    I previously had owned a Surly LHT, and was just never really comfortable on it. I was in the right size and everything, but for someone with long legs and short arms, Surly bikes just tend to be a little too long in the top tube.

    This bike felt great the first second I was on it - something I have never felt in any other bike before. I just wish it weren't so heavy sometimes. I might remove the rack and run some 28s on it just to make it feel a little livelier.

    The paint seems to be kind of flaky too. Is this common?

    Last question - and this is more mechanical. The brakes stink. On my roadie, if I barely pull the lever, I am braking and braking pretty hard. On the Randonee, for me to have enough cable to work with to get the cable off of the cantilever caliper, it seems like I have to squeeze the brake levers pretty hard before the pads hit the rim. Even then, they seem to just not want to stop the bike all that well. Is this just the difference in a 20 lb roadie and a 30+ lb tourer? I had always thought that cantilever brakes were supposed to be better brakes than road calipers - is that the case? Or is there some quick release on the brake lever that I don't know about to help take up some of that cable slack?
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    I am just about the same build as you and have asked myself the same questions you are asking. The bad news is that I did not come up with any great answers

    The rule of thumb I've heard for stand over height is: "if you can pick up both the front and rear of the bike while straddling it, and have at least an inch between the tire and the ground it is OK". I find that fitting a bike for me is always a compromise. It just depends where I want to make the trade off.

    I have two bikes with cantilever brakes, a LHT and a Volpe. Neither one stops as well as my road bike with side pulls. I'm building a new touring bike for my wife now, and plan on using linear pull brakes, travel agents, and STI shifters. You might try a diferent brake pad. The local shop recommended "Aztec" pads which my wife is running on her touring bike now. They seem to do a little better at stopping than mine- Kool Stop and Cane Creek. However, being 30 pounds lighter might have something to do with it.

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    The 2010 has compact drop bars.... They can make you feel cramped in the drops if you are more familiar with a standard reach drop type bar. I'm still not sure if I like them or not..... I'm thinking of swapping them out for a FSA Wing compact alloy. I really like the flat tops on my TCR so......................................... $$$$ yep.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kayakdiver View Post
    The 2010 has compact drop bars.... They can make you feel cramped in the drops if you are more familiar with a standard reach drop type bar. I'm still not sure if I like them or not..... I'm thinking of swapping them out for a FSA Wing compact alloy. I really like the flat tops on my TCR so......................................... $$$$ yep.
    I wish you hadn't said that! I love the flat tops of my FSA Wing Pro bars and those would only make the Randonee MORE comfortable.

    Sometimes I feel like a setback seatpost would make more sense and be a bit more comfortable. I have a Thomson one laying around but I think that its setback starts too low - I have a fistful of seatpost showing and I just don't think it will work for a Brooks saddle. The saddle is just too high. Hmmm.
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    I came up with a seatpost that will work and found some cheap take off Wing Pro handlebars. Now all I have to do is order a Brooks Flyer saddle to match the bike and figure out this Deore rear derailer... Finally, I will have a functional touring bike!
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    Finished putting it together today. I added the setback seatpost, a Deore rear derailed, some Wing Pro bars, and a Brooks Flyer saddle. Then I removed the racks and swapped the tires for some 28s I had laying around. On the scale, it weighs right at 30 pounds. It is heavy, but it doesn't feel as heavy as my Surly LHT felt, and it is a lot more comfortable of a ride.

    I feel like I could ride this thing all day, everyday.
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    Kayakdiver - The reach and drop is the same between the stock bars and the wing bars that went on. The only difference is those nice flats.
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