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Old 09-18-10, 12:35 PM
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Need advice on choosing a touring bike!

Hi,

i am new to this forum, and to the world of cycling. My boyfriend is an avid cyclist and has asked me to go on a (lightweight) tour with him across Europe. Immediately I said yes. I think it's the perfect opportunity to get me into shape, and let me see places I haven't seen before in a way that most people don't get to see it.

I have to buy a bike, since I do not own one at the moment. I have done some research, and for my budget (900-1000$ CAD) , I have narrowed it down to a few choices. The Devinci Caribou, The Soma Saga, or the Opus Largo.

Now, I don't have a lot of knowledge about bike geometry, but I do have some. I'm not sure if there is a huge difference between these bikes, besides the fact that the caribou is aluminum, and the others are steel. If anybody has any advice on which bikes would serve better for me, (5'3", 110 Lbs) please let me know. Is steel really that much better than aluminum? Is the lightwieght aluminum worth it? I won't be carrying too much weight on my tour, mostly credit card touring.

Any advice would be greatly appreciated.
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Not familiar with that Soma model. Between the Caribou and Largo, they both look ok and about equal. Like the tires and slightly longer chainstays of the Largo, but the frame of the Caribou is probably a little lighter. Either frame material should be fine.
If you or your boyfriend have the mechanical aptitude to make sure the bike is set up properly then the Windsor Tourist from Bikes Direct would be another alternative and could save some money.
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As you have not toured, it's kinda hard to give advice. On this forum, there are hundreds of people and hundreds of opinions! If you want to elicit a lot of responses, ask about the "best" saddle, gearing setup, or wheel size!

But here are a few starters:

1. You can tour on any bicycle.

2. The fit of the bike to your body should be your highest priority. So go to a bike store, and try as many candidate bikes as you can.

3. Don't head off to Europe on a new bike. Ride it for weeks or months before taking off. You WILL want something adjusted or changed after spending time on your bike. You may start with drop bars, but find them insufferable; or vice versa. Or the saddle may not be comfy.

4. If you are going to be travelling in hilly areas, pay attention to the gearing. Essentially, you want mountain bike gearing. My advice is to get the absolute lowest gearing that the bike can accommodate. If the gears that come on a bike are, say, 32-39-52 in front and 12-25 in back, you are probably going to hate hills! You may need something more like 22-32-44 and 12-32. (Gearing is personal. My setup gives me both higher and lower gears than this setup.)

5. A few of my most indispensable bike accessories, not counting helmet: a mirror, a bell, a bright jacket, cycling shorts, and fenders.
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Oh yes, ofcourse, I will be training for about 6 months before we go on this tour. I will keep the gearing in mind, thanks for the advice! I plan on buying a bike with all the parts that are affordable, and then upgrading as I train, just so I know what I like/don't like.
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credit card touring ok if i were you i would go not for a touring bike i would get a good road bike triple chainring up front 13 to 27 on the back good set slick tires a good beam rack will carry all you need that wont cost much .
aluminium road bike will be fine look maybe for shimano 105 equipped bike, the wheels and tires must be top notch .
drop bars will give you much more comfort than straight.
best of luck hope you enjoy.
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Originally Posted by wannaexplore
Hi,

I won't be carrying too much weight on my tour, mostly credit card touring.

Any advice would be greatly appreciated.
the frame material is irrelevant. Get a light road bike that you are comfortable riding on with the simple option of fender and rack eyelets assuming you could be riding on wet roads. At 110lbs you can ride on very light bikes and wheels and have them hold up 3X longer than people who weigh 180lbs. The bikes you describe are for carrying heavy loads and have strong wheels. You aren't carrying heavy loads nor are you heavy so I'd suggest looking for light road bikes with relaxed geometry.
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Test ride the bikes that you are looking at... More than just around the block, which is the typical test ride (Says he who test rode just around the block)

Don't make a decision in one day. Go back and ride the bikes again. Have the shop adjust the fit in the middle of a ride, then ride it again.

Learn as much as you can about the style of bikes you are looking at so that you will know when the salesmen are blowing smoke in your direction. For instance they will say a bike has relaxed touring geometry and is nimble and responsive like a road bike. Or "These performance tires (usually performance = racing) have excellent flat protection and superb durability.

Pick the best "all-round" bike that fits you well and is in your price range.

Keep the shopping fun. Accept that your final choice will be a compromise of bike characteristics, but leaning towards your specific needs.
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Originally Posted by wannaexplore
Hi,
I won't be carrying too much weight on my tour, mostly credit card touring.
I don't understand this point if you are mostly credit card touring on this trip, then there will be some portion that is not credit card touring and you will need the camping equipment? If that is the case then having a bike designed for loaded touring is more appropriate.
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Unless you can afford more than one bike, whatever bike you get will be a compromise, unless you only do one kind of riding. Compromising isn't bad unless you are obsessed with getting the perfect bike for the application. My recommendation is to get the best bike you can afford for the application you're mostly likely to do. If your needs change you can always sell one bike and buy another without too much loss, or you can add another bike to your stable when you can afford it.

If you're ever going to do much fully loaded touring, I think an authentic touring bike is best - one with low gears, long chainstays, stable geometry, and eyelets for racks, fenders, and three water bottle cages. If you're going to be mostly recreational (unloaded) riding and a credit card tour or two, go for a lightweight road bike with eyelets for a rear rack. You can put a lightweight rack, a rack trunk, or even some lightweight panniers and carry some clothes, a camera, etc.; and still have a nice, light, sporty bike for recreational riding. Consider the gearing and the hills you'll be riding. If you're into easy climbing you might think about a triple or a compact double.

I'm not familiar with any of the bikes you mentioned. I do have experience with steel and aluminum frames. My take is that it's not so much the frame material as the execution. I have an aluminum road frame that's light and agile while still being comfortable. I have a steel touring bike that's rock-solid and still comfortable. Cannondale makes aluminum tourers that are highly regarded. There are several steel-framed racing-style bikes that are light and agile. People have different preferences, but I don't think the material itself is enough to disqualify a bike from consideration.
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It's a company that makes bikes for women, call or Email them and see what dealers are in your area
and talk about sizing with them
5'3" needs smaller wheels to get the fit right, as top tube spec needs to be Short.
Most bikes are Mens proportions so top tubes tent to be long..

also consider Bike Fridays offerings , they are travel friendly pack small and with 20" wheels and US manufacturing can get a properly sized bike made relatively soon

rather than Asian shipped bikes
Terry has Waterford in Wisconsin make their frames.

Bruce Gordon is a Touring bike specialist, a phone call or email away .Petaluma California
https://www.bgcycles.com/

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Originally Posted by wannaexplore
I have done some research, and for my budget (900-1000$ CAD) , I have narrowed it down to a few choices. The Devinci Caribou, The Soma Saga, or the Opus Largo..
This is another one of those threads where the OP states a budget and then the answers wander off into options that are well above her budget.

She said she has $900 to $1000CAD to spend. A lot of bikes recommended won't fit her budget - Terry, Bruce Gordon, Bike Friday, etc. In fact, the Soma Saga that she said she's looking at isn't in her budget, either (the frame and fork are $400 or $600, I can't remember which, which means a complete bike is going to be $2000-ish).

So that narrows it down to 2 bikes: the Devinci Caribou and the Opus Largo, neither of which I am familiar with, I just wanted to point out to the folks on this thread that she has a budget.

BTW, some other bikes right around your budget that I *think* are availably in Canada are the Rocky Mountain Sherpa, Norco touring bike (the Cabot?), and the Kona Sutra. I think they are close to your budget.

As I recall, even BF's beloved Surly LHT is well above $1000CAD these days, if purchased in Canada.

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Many good touring rigs can be found in the 2nd hand market well within your $900-$1000 budget. I've seen many low mileage LHT, Sherpas, 520 and other popular touring bikes already equipped with racks, pumps and sometimes panniers for under $1000.
Had I waited a week before purchasing my brand new set of panniers, I could of had the same exact set, used but in great condition, for 1/3 of the cost from craigslist. Good luck on your first tour and have fun!
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Folding bikes adapt readily to short riders , maybe a used Bike Friday to be found..
that has gearing like other bikes..

Hostels are nice lodging options to reduce that part of the trip budget.

if the Bike budget needs a bit of an increase..

I met a few people on my trips at hostels, then made a few itinerary changes
as i went along , after conversing with fellow travelers.
little side trips ..

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Have you found out yet how much it will cost you to get your bike across the Atlantic. You may be shocked.

An alternative is to buy a bike when you arrive. You could probably buy a perfectly adequate bike from Decathlon who have stores in France and the UK for little more than the cost of flying your bike twice across the Atlantic.

You could bring it home or sell it cheap or give it away.

www.decathlon.com
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Keep in mind that a touring bike usually doesn't include the cost of racks, although "not carrying much weight" implies that you'll be carrying a little. We really can't answer this until you clear that up!

The advice about getting a road bike if you don't need to carry anything is good until you realize that touring bikes are not only made to carry stuff well, but also to be comfortable when ridden all day long.

If you're overweight (as I am), you'll find a more upright posture like on a touring bike or a hybrid is more comfortable. If not, you'll find a road bike's tucked position (i.e., hunched forward) is easier to get used to.

Ride a lot of bikes, and see if you can arrange for some long rides (i.e., an hour or three).
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MEC just came out with their own light touring bike that is in your budget. MEC has a great return policy should you decide its not the one for you and also sells everything else you might want for your tour. The bike would also make an excellent commuter/everyday bike when you finish with Europe.

https://www.mec.ca/Products/product_d...34374302886469
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Originally Posted by BengeBoy
In fact, the Soma Saga that she said she's looking at isn't in her budget, either (the frame and fork are $400 or $600, I can't remember which, which means a complete bike is going to be $2000-ish).
Online prices for the Soma Saga frame were around US$400, last time I checked. That's about the same price as the Surly Long Haul Trucker frame... which runs around $1100 as a complete bike.
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I don't understand this point if you are mostly credit card touring on this trip, then there will be some portion that is not credit card touring and you will need the camping equipment? If that is the case then having a bike designed for loaded touring is more appropriate.
I will be carrying a small tent as backup, but no cooking equipment, and not much food.
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Originally Posted by BengeBoy
This is another one of those threads where the OP states a budget and then the answers wander off into options that are well above her budget.

She said she has $900 to $1000CAD to spend. A lot of bikes recommended won't fit her budget - Terry, Bruce Gordon, Bike Friday, etc. In fact, the Soma Saga that she said she's looking at isn't in her budget, either (the frame and fork are $400 or $600, I can't remember which, which means a complete bike is going to be $2000-ish).

So that narrows it down to 2 bikes: the Devinci Caribou and the Opus Largo, neither of which I am familiar with, I just wanted to point out to the folks on this thread that she has a budget.

BTW, some other bikes right around your budget that I *think* are availably in Canada are the Rocky Mountain Sherpa, Norco touring bike (the Cabot?), and the Kona Sutra. I think they are close to your budget.

As I recall, even BF's beloved Surly LHT is well above $1000CAD these days, if purchased in Canada.

A bike shop told me they could put together a Saga for me within my budget.
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A bike shop told me they could put together a Saga for me within my budget.
Doe your budget allow for racks and panniers? That's a few hundred dollars right there.

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I will be carrying a small tent as backup, but no cooking equipment, and not much food.
A touring bike like the Soma will give you enormous flexibility in where you can attach racks.

It sounds like you can get by with two panniers and a small camping roll. It may seem tempting to skip the front rack and put it all on the back, but even with a light load, any proper touring bike will always be more stable with four panniers packed low. (Even if you don't fill them all the way.)

You might be able to do a pair of front panniers and a trunk bag. (Camping rolls are usually a stuff sack packed tightly, strapped to a rack, so they cost only a few bucks.)
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Originally Posted by neilfein
Doe your budget allow for racks and panniers? That's a few hundred dollars right there.



A touring bike like the Soma will give you enormous flexibility in where you can attach racks.

It sounds like you can get by with two panniers and a small camping roll. It may seem tempting to skip the front rack and put it all on the back, but even with a light load, any proper touring bike will always be more stable with four panniers packed low. (Even if you don't fill them all the way.)

You might be able to do a pair of front panniers and a trunk bag. (Camping rolls are usually a stuff sack packed tightly, strapped to a rack, so they cost only a few bucks.)
Thanks!

right now my budget only allows for the bike, but I have 6 months before I leave, I think thats enough time to figure out the pannier and rack situation.
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Originally Posted by wannaexplore
Thanks!

right now my budget only allows for the bike, but I have 6 months before I leave, I think thats enough time to figure out the pannier and rack situation.
My touring bike feels a little squirrely without a load on it. but it still rides well. Just keep that in mind when test-riding.

If you keep digging, you'll find that some folks disagree about the more-stable-when-loaded thing. They're wrong, of course.
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Wannaexplore, at 115lbs and credit care touring <10lbs load you can ride much lighter bikes and much lighter wheels than most use when touring. If you have Specialized bikes nearby you might check them out. The Sectour and Dolce look nice.
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My wife is about your size, but I would guess much older. She rides a carbon fiber Canondale and a Surly LHT. She perfers the LHT except when riding in a group of road bike riders. The LHT does everything she wants, expecially a great smooth ride, and climbs well because of its gearing. A trunk bag and a good size handlebar bag would probably take care of your needs. Either the trunk bag or a good handlebar bag can be removed and carried with a shoulder strap when leaving the bike for shopping or a hike.

Good luck and have a great time in Europe.
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