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    Quote Originally Posted by sandulea View Post
    It's really nice to see some rackless setups, especially on a Big Dummy (or longtails in general). To me frame bags look and feel more "intentional", as opposed to racks+panniers, which in my book feel improvised and are lacking in key areas, with bad clearances and worse aerodynamics. With this rig, I'm sure you have/had a lot of fun on your tour. I'm still at least 3 months away from my summer tour, and I haven't even rebuilt the bike yet, but these pics make me wanna start spraying the parts even in the cold weather here and hit the roads as soon as possible!
    well...
    it is very interesting how racks and panniers have come about.
    but then again... frame bags are nothing new either.

    I have to admit that I've experimented with a handful of hauling solutions.
    the key with frame bags is obviously to have cargo that can compress down, and/or be crammed into "non-standard" shapes.
    panniers are so conveniently square. easy to haul a laptop.

    frame bags are pretty damn cool, there is a skill in packing them, choosing what goes in them, how to use those items, etc...

    in the past, people have gone round and round over the topic of Frame Bags vs Panniers.
    its not the bags, but really what you choose to pack.
    conversely the bags provide the means of hauling.

    so for instance its easy enough to use the BD with 2 Bob Trailer Dry Saks
    heck, add a front rack, and use 2 large panniers up front AND a handlebar bag.

    it really depends on what you want to haul, how you plan to tour, etc..

    for me; the latest iteration of the BD with its frame bags is what I consider to be medium light. the bike can be fairly fast, especially if I use WTB Vulpine tires.

    the bags limit what I'm carrying, so I'm thinking maybe a set of CrossMax would work out.

    blah blah blah

    at the moment, its shod in 2.4" MutanoRaptors which are starting to be worn down a fair amount, which lets it roll pretty fast on the pavement, then of course when it comes to dirt, I just let reduce the pressure.

    for me, the amount of packing space it provides is quite a bit. Honestly, I hardly ever need that much space.
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    Yeah, you really gotta think about what you carry with you when using frame bags. I miscalculated the bags' space last year on tour and I ended up carrying stuff like bread and other high volume, low weight objects in bags on my handlebars half the time. That was the only time I missed having a rack and being able to bungee things to it. I have to integrate a small rack in my current rig, to prevent this kind of problem in the future. Otherwise, each bag had a specific category of objects inside that also contributed to the shape, because I integrated minimal structural elements in the bags themselves.

    I went through the racks and panniers phase, also rode with a trailer once, but I hated the way the bike felt when loaded, regardless of the bike used. Sure, it was simple and practical, but the ride and the feel while on road matter a lot to me, so over time I moved towards a lighter load and frame bags alone. At the moment, the gear, including camping stuff, some food, water and the bags themselves, weighs in at 20-22 pounds. But more importantly, the bike rides exactly the same when loaded or unloaded. If anything, the suspension is a little softer if left unadjusted so it rides even better. Also, on descents I rest my chin on the big gas tank (tent and foam mattress) and get a wicked aero position for the ultimate comfort and speed. The frame bags also give a nice, solid feel when on the bike. There's a great perceived difference between a skinny, bare frame between your legs and a big frame bag nearly 4 inches wide. You know it's not structural in any way, but it feels safer and comfier. I loathe the test rides with the bare frame when trying out different pieces, so I end up using a triangle frame bag constantly.

    Below are a few of my past setups. All of them feature the same veteran frame, an italian aluminium frame, Elios Energy, that went through a slew of different wheel size combinations and from fully rigid to fully suspended, with many other combinations in between. Currently it's undergoing a rebuild, to replace steel with aluminium wherever possible and to seal most of the steel parts, to weatherproof it as much as possible. I'm also redesigning most of the critical mounts and intersections, because I made a lot of compromises last year trying to finish it in time for the big tour.






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    ^nice unique touring bike.
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    Quote Originally Posted by edwardgibbs View Post
    Well, here it goes again. This my fully loaded touring bike on a trip to the White Mountains last fall

    Love this color blue! I just picked up the 1985 Trek 520 (Silver) and I'm about to take my first tour on it in May!

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    The newest rig in its ridable but not quite finished setup. Tubus racks are not installed yet... Completely in love with the Rolfhoff hub, well worth it so far. Just beginning to tweak the bike to my comfort right now, hense the uncut steering tube. Needs to be raised up a bit still.

    May have to do some adjustments to rear sprocket. Finding I'm easily running out of gears on flat ground, but I've had no chance to try the bike full loaded.

    Disc brake on the front, rim brake on the back to hopefully to simplify rack installation and give me options in the repair department.... Works for Thorn, works for me.
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    I would have thought with the location of the disc mounts on that bike you would have no clearance issues with pannier racks etc?

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    Just noticed the fancy schmancy chain that.matches the frame, cool. I'm too pragmatic for a detail like that but it still looks cool.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jacque Lucque View Post
    I would have thought with the location of the disc mounts on that bike you would have no clearance issues with pannier racks etc?
    My Troll has no clearance issues with racks, discs and fenders...anyway, that's a sweet looking one in those pics. I love looking at other Troll setups.

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    Wow, fantastic! Looks like a great ride and rig.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jacque Lucque View Post
    I would have thought with the location of the disc mounts on that bike you would have no clearance issues with pannier racks etc?
    Mounted the racks and panniers the other day, no clearance issues.

    Just took the bike out on it's first semi loaded trip with about 22 pounds of (paintball) gear. No issues whatsoever and a pure joy to ride.
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    Awesome bike, have fun.
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    not exactly fully loaded, but here's my barely broken in Windsor Tourist after a trip to Target for a new toaster oven, some pillows and other provisions.

    Rode the last block home with the spreader in hand. A neighbor put it out at the end of their driveway. I spread lime that afternoon, and now I'll probably put it at the end of my driveway.



    so far I like the bike. It only has about 200 miles on it, just errands. I did not get to do any over-nighters last summer. Hopefully this summer I will.

    if anyone is interested, those are Pasela 35c tires and Planet Bike fenders. Other than those changes, a Ritchey stem with wider bars, and a Blackburn Mtn Rack, the bike is as-is from BD.
    Rast ich so rost ich. (When I rest, I rust)

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    That is a great looking bike!

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    really? ...thank you very much.

    I don't think it's even close to some of the other beauties in the this thread though.
    Rast ich so rost ich. (When I rest, I rust)

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    pillows and toaster oven may be overkill on a trip, however one can never underestimate the utility of a seed spreader while on tour. Johnny Appleseed wouldn't have been caught dead without one.

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    Wow, I love all these photos. Some phenomenal looking bikes. Well I should contribute some, though I must warn you, the photos were taken on my first touring trip. Winnipeg, Manitoba, Canada to Grand Beach, Manitoba, Canada and back (about 250 km, including some local riding).

    My wife with the bikes:


    Me riding the Giant bike with the Bob Yak:

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    Quote Originally Posted by djb View Post
    pillows and toaster oven may be overkill on a trip, however one can never underestimate the utility of a seed spreader while on tour. Johnny Appleseed wouldn't have been caught dead without one.

    HAHA! brilliant.
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    Quote Originally Posted by RB1-luvr View Post
    HAHA! brilliant.
    Thanks, I had to come up with something after seeing the photo!

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    RB1-luvr, what kind of front rack do you have on your Windsor? It looks like it should work well and may be somewhat adjustable for differences in distance between fork end braze-on and mid-fork braze-on.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ciufalon View Post
    RB1-luvr, what kind of front rack do you have on your Windsor? It looks like it should work well and may be somewhat adjustable for differences in distance between fork end braze-on and mid-fork braze-on.
    I'm sorry, I wish I knew. It's been 5+ years since my LBS ordered that rack for my previous touring bike, and I don't remember what brand it is. I don't think there's a brand marking on it anywhere either. But if I see one, I'll edit this reply at some point.
    Rast ich so rost ich. (When I rest, I rust)

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    Fully loaded touring.
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    wow, not that's fully loaded.
    Rast ich so rost ich. (When I rest, I rust)

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    Quote Originally Posted by openmindedgent View Post


    Fully loaded touring.
    Got that right! Setting up Camp in Deadwood or something?
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    Quote Originally Posted by X-LinkedRider View Post
    Got that right! Setting up Camp in Deadwood or something?
    HA, not quite. The bike is loaded for touring the country all summer doing a documentary about bicycle co-ops and cyclo-touring. The trailer is my truck and I am hauling my only bit of possesions to my moms to store while I am on the road. This would be one hell of a load to take across the 9,000 miles or so I have planned.
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