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Old 11-14-10, 01:15 AM   #1
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motobecane gran turismo

I really like the looks of this guy.

Components wise, how does it compare to others? I was also looking at the Novara Randonee, Bianchi Volpe, and a LHT/Crosscheck... would be for loaded touring but also light touring and urban commuting
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The bars end shifters would disqualify it for me since I really like brifters, but if you like them it looks pretty good. I have done a good bit of touring on one of their Windsor Tourists and am pretty happy with it. It has served me well on a Trans America and a couple other longish tours.
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Old 11-14-10, 02:55 PM   #4
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OK, assuming that I like style of both bikes equally, and that the price is the same, I wonder if someone could comment about the quality/durability of the components between the gran turismo and the randonee. Seems like the randonee is nicer but I'm not very familiar with the components.
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it's in the ball park, how it compares would require a test ride . The other bikes you mention aren't discounted so what exactly is it that you're comparing?

oops, sorry didn't notice your prior post. My $.02 is that you accept the parts that come with the package and that's determined by price . I don't think picking a bike by it's components is the best way to go when bike maintenance and user knowledge make more of a difference. If you are at all concerned about warranty issues I'd go with an REI bike.

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Old 11-14-10, 03:31 PM   #6
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I was under the impression that the Novara Randonee was discontinued for 2011, some one can correct me if I am wrong. On REI's site it only shows the Safari in their touring bike selection. Unless you can find a 2010 randonne or a used one, that one may have to be crossed off your list. The Safari looks like a pretty good bike for the price, if you like the bar/cockpit setup and 26" tires.
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I've narrowed my choice down to these two based on price (volpe and crosscheck are just out of my range). Now, between the randonee and the gran turismo, I want to compare the quality of the components because I know nothing about them and have no basis for comparison. Which components will be more durable?

I do prefer the bar end shifters (for durability and ease of repair) and would consider putting them on the randonee, but I have no clue about the other stuff.
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Zoltani, not sure about the 2011's, but I have what seems to be the last 2010 in the country on hold
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The components are not that different in my opinion, between the Grand Tour and the Rondonee. I would easily choose the Randonee though because of the warranty and ability to test ride. The Grand Tour looks like a nice bike but a test ride is the BEST way to tell if you are going to be happy with a bike and comfortable on it. Plus, if you have ANY problems with your Randonee REI will take care of you 100% which you will not be able to say about BikesDirect.

Virtually everyone who owns a touring bike changes something out right away such as the saddle, seat, handlebars, pedals, stem, ect.... if you buy from REI they will often give you discounts on these small items and do the install for free. Overall then, if you factor in the service, the Randonee will be cheaper in the long run.
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I've narrowed my choice down to these two based on price (volpe and crosscheck are just out of my range). Now, between the randonee and the gran turismo, I want to compare the quality of the components because I know nothing about them and have no basis for comparison. Which components will be more durable?

I do prefer the bar end shifters (for durability and ease of repair) and would consider putting them on the randonee, but I have no clue about the other stuff.

I would give the edge to the Randonee if you are concerned about longevity -- not really for the quality of the components, but because of the way that REI stands behind the products it sells. I wouldn't worry about the quality of the Tiagra shifters on the Randonee -- they're fine. I personally wouldn't bother changing them to bar end shifters unless they break, which I doubt they will.

The Randonee apparently has been temporarily dropped from REI's line. It is disappearing for awhile, but I think they said somewhere that it will return to their lineup next year.

The Motobecane Gran Turismo seems like a great bargain to me. Comes down to how you feel about buying online vs. buying from an REI store w/local service; what kind of shifters you prefer.
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Really disappointed that Gran Turismo 5's release date keep on getting pushed back.
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Old 11-22-10, 09:58 AM   #12
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I am considering this bike. Has anybody bought one? I've scanned the internet and cannot find any reviews or information from a buyer/owner.
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Old 11-22-10, 02:37 PM   #13
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The free fork offer is interesting. Makes me wonder if they are leftover forks from the 2010 model, which was admittedly (by BD, according to a poster on a different thread) speced without front rack brazeons. Also, they note that the extra front fork has eyelets for fenders. The description of the fork on the 2011 model makes no mention of them. That at least suggests that it does not have them. I would inquire if you think they are an important feature.
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There are no braze-ons on the fork, in the picture at Bikes-Direct. You can't install either a front rack or fenders. I would not buy this bike for touring or commuting.
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The reason for the free fork it seems is to solve the front rack issue. I looked at buying a Gran Tourismo for my wife, it's a good bike, but the fork had issues. If you look at the picture, it has lowrider braze-ons on the fork, but no rack or fender eyelets on the dropout, an oversight making the fork and bike less than appealing. The free fork should correct this issue by giving you an eyelet and the braze-on. If this is the case it becomes a solid value, especially if you do your own wrenching.
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Old 11-29-10, 10:00 AM   #16
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Like I say.... it seems like only prospective buyers on this bike. Somebody who has actually bought one and taken the time to post a review seems incredibly rare. So rare in fact, that I've never seen one.
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Knowing BD's modus operandus, they start advertising and taking orders long before their stuff arrives from Taiwan and China. As a result, sometimes a particular model is either delayed or not available at the last minute. BD is a design and marketing shop, they OEM everything and have a couple of big containers shipped every year. That's why it is so cheap - bare bones staff, no warranty to speak of unless you pay shipping, etc. It's bare bones. All that said, the specs on this machine are decent. It sure would be nice if an actual owner posted pics and a review of the machine on tour.
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Knowing BD's modus operandus, they start advertising and taking orders long before their stuff arrives from Taiwan and China. As a result, sometimes a particular model is either delayed or not available at the last minute. BD is a design and marketing shop, they OEM everything and have a couple of big containers shipped every year. That's why it is so cheap - bare bones staff, no warranty to speak of unless you pay shipping, etc. It's bare bones. All that said, the specs on this machine are decent. It sure would be nice if an actual owner posted pics and a review of the machine on tour.
None of the criticisms you wrote of have been my experience with any of the 4 BD bikes I've purchased. Just the opposite. Clearly you lack experience or knowledge in this matter.
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None of the criticisms you wrote of have been my experience with any of the 4 BD bikes I've purchased. Just the opposite. Clearly you lack experience or knowledge in this matter.
You are entitled to your opinion. I own a full Ultegra Mercier Serpens. So you, Sir, simply should not talk about other people's experience without asking first. A simple search of google will show that BD's record is not pristine. People, myself included, buy from them knowing full well what they are. It's not a place for newbie's that don't understand the pitfalls.

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I bought a 2010 Randonee in the Portland, OR REI store in May. Have not heard of a 2011.
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Anybody ever purchase one of these? Anybody??!?
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My 2c:
If you get this bike, the first thing to do is to have a competent wheelbuilder tension and true the wheels. The bikes from BD have machine-built wheels which tend to snap spokes, pull them through the rims, etc, etc. At least that's what happened to my BD bike... the components weren't bad, just the build. The next thing is to have somebody go through the bike adjusting and greasing, all the things that a good bike shop does to a new bike. Looks like a well-specced bike, however, and given the two caveats, would be a pretty good deal.
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My 2c:
If you get this bike, the first thing to do is to have a competent wheelbuilder tension and true the wheels. The bikes from BD have machine-built wheels which tend to snap spokes, pull them through the rims, etc, etc. At least that's what happened to my BD bike... the components weren't bad, just the build. The next thing is to have somebody go through the bike adjusting and greasing, all the things that a good bike shop does to a new bike. Looks like a well-specced bike, however, and given the two caveats, would be a pretty good deal.
Generally I do all that stuff myself regardless of where the bike comes from.

WRT, your comment on the wheels. I think it is less true for the models with Vuelta wheels. The Vuelta wheels on my road bike seemed to be well built and have required no attention. The wheels on my Windsor Tourist did require some attention, though.

I think it looks like a nice bike if you like bar end shifters (I don't). Personally I would have rather seen them upgrade the Windsor Touring model's wheels and given it lower gearing, keeping the STI brifters. Just my preference though.
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I really like the looks of this guy.

Components wise, how does it compare to others? I was also looking at the Novara Randonee, Bianchi Volpe, and a LHT/Crosscheck... would be for loaded touring but also light touring and urban commuting
So? What did you get??
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Well, I was about to pull the trigger on the Randonee, it was discounted to $850 at my local REI. But the manager absolutely would not let someone phone in a credit card order for me. After a lot of struggle against all logic, leaving a pretty bad taste for REI in my mouth, I gave up and bought the 2011 Bianchi Volpe at a 20% off sale at my LBS. Couldn't be happier!
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