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Old 02-04-12, 12:58 PM   #1
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Salsa Fargo frame price increase???

I was pining for a Salsa Fargo last year, and now I am looking into building a new touring bike.

The frameset last time I looked was $400, now $600?? What has changed? It looks like the exact same frame to me. Why the increase I wonder?
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I've never seen a Fargo frameset listed for less than $599, except for an occasional size S or XL in last years color, reduced to $550.

Salsa changed the Fargo a year or so ago, to a longer fork, so the geometry is more suited to the option of changing to a 100mm travel sus fork. This change did not affect MSRP.

Consider a Surly Ogre or Disc Trucker - you should be able to find these for closer to $400. They're essentially the same as a Fargo, even made in the same Taiwanese factory, but less expensive. QBP is trying to differentiate Salsa products as fancier and justifying the higher price - but they really aren't. They are most likely made of the exact same tubes, same powdercoating, and welded or brazed by the same people. Actually, I think Surly has nicer rear dropouts now, for less money.

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Old 02-04-12, 06:11 PM   #3
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I just noticed they tweaked the geometry of the LHT in the disk version by raising the bottom bracket a bit. Oops, thread drift.

Edit: not true about about the BB, must have accidentally compared it to the Cross Check

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Incorrect, too.

Geometry is identical between LHT and DT, in every dimension - except that the dropouts/brake bosses on the DT are heavier, thus raising the weight of a given size DT over the LHT slightly.

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Old 02-04-12, 10:15 PM   #5
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You must have been looking at the 09 model that most retailers were discounting due to the updated 2011 model coming out. The 09 frame also cost just under $600 when it was new. There are quite a few differences between the two models: The 2011 comes with a replaceable derailleur hanger, suspension corrected fork, different geometry/handling and different tubing. I have an 09 and love it and you can still find them on ebay. I wouldn't even consider a 2011 since I don't have the need for a suspension corrected fork and a replaceable derailleur hanger on a steel frame is silly and makes it necessary to carry a spare.
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Regardless of price, You will love touring on the Fargo. I fitted one out last year with drop bars and Schwalbe Big Apple 50s on it for some cushion. It is so comfy that now I only get off to take a shower every month or so...

I do have one recommendation though. I was shocked how expensive it was to build up from a frame set. I wound up $2k into my build. To do it over again, I;d pick up a used one and just swap out the parts I wanted to change. I could have saved probably $7 - 800 that way and maybe had even some better components than I spec'd myself...

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Yea maybe I was looking at older models but they had selection of all sizes for 400 price, strange.

I have built a few new bikes from scratch, I just bide my time watch for deals and good used parts. Still the new price for the Fargo 3 is fairly reasonable.
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The Ogre is $535, the LHT is $470.

Surly is powdercoat, Salsa is paint (with fancier decals). Salsa's tend to have nicer features like stainless dropouts. They're not hugely different, but there's some justification for the cost gap.

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I've never seen a Fargo frameset listed for less than $599, except for an occasional size S or XL in last years color, reduced to $550.

Salsa changed the Fargo a year or so ago, to a longer fork, so the geometry is more suited to the option of changing to a 100mm travel sus fork. This change did not affect MSRP.

Consider a Surly Ogre or Disc Trucker - you should be able to find these for closer to $400. They're essentially the same as a Fargo, even made in the same Taiwanese factory, but less expensive. QBP is trying to differentiate Salsa products as fancier and justifying the higher price - but they really aren't. They are most likely made of the exact same tubes, same powdercoating, and welded or brazed by the same people. Actually, I think Surly has nicer rear dropouts now, for less money.
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Consider a Surly Ogre or Disc Trucker - you should be able to find these for closer to $400. They're essentially the same as a Fargo, even made in the same Taiwanese factory, but less expensive. QBP is trying to differentiate Salsa products as fancier and justifying the higher price - but they really aren't. They are most likely made of the exact same tubes, same powdercoating, and welded or brazed by the same people. Actually, I think Surly has nicer rear dropouts now, for less money.
Well my two Salsa's have a much nicer finishes than my LHT. The decals on the LHT fell off, and the overall finish was not that nice. The Salsa's have nice clearcoats, and the tubing used is a couple of steps up from the Surly. The Surly is a great bike, but the Salsa models are a step up.
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I would agree with VT that the Salsa is a bit more refined. I have two dedicated road bikes but sometimes will still use the Fargo on a 50 mile ride using 50mm tires and still find it thoroughly enjoyable. I never got that feeling from my LHT unloaded. If you check out the Salsa Fargo thread on MTBR you will hear this from a lot of people. Definitely not knocking Surly because I would still love to have an Ogre but if I had to choose......
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