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Old 02-05-12, 03:38 PM   #1
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Surly Trucker Deluxe: Share your dreams with me :D

I've learned a great deal from these forums including how strong my urge to tour has become. I commute ~100 miles/wk with a Trek FX 7.3 and am ready to build up a Trucker Deluxe 62cm for the big trips! 130 mile weekenders through mountains will be very common, a 400mile-or-so tour's being planned for this summer, and I intend to take it for 3-week tours abroad in the coming years.

My question to y'all: What sort of components would you recommend to a bike-building newbie with the goal of keeping prices under or near $3000? Would you rather ride XT's or 105s? STIs or Bar-ends? Anyone get stuck walking up an incline for lack of 11t? Will I be laughed out of my LBS for understanding aesthetics more than cranksets?

My ideal kit so far includes
-62cm frame ( I'm 6'5" 215 lbs)
-Drop bars (wide or standard??)
-Red Grand Bois tires - 650b's fit apparently, and BEAUTIFULLY
-Honjo fenders
-grey Ortlieb front/rear/handlebar packs
-Dynohub
-Brooks Honey Flyer Saddle and matching tape
-Cantilever brakes

What do you think? Thanks!

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Old 02-05-12, 04:14 PM   #2
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Here is the touring bike build list


Handle bar: Salsa 42mm woodchipper

Stem: Forte MTB 120mm

Bar tape: Profile Design

STI Brifter: Tiagra 3x9

Seat post: Thomson Elite

Seat post clamp: Surly

Front derailleur: Tiagra for triple

Crankset: Shimano Deore FC-M590 48-36-22t

Bottom bracket: Shimano Deore external

Rear derailleur: Shimano Deore SGS RD-M591

Cassette: 12-27 Shimano 9 speed

Brakes: Tektro CR720

Headset: Cane Creek

Chain: Shimano 9 speed

Wheelset: 36 spoke Velocity Dyad/Shimano/DT Alpina

Cables: Jagwire
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Was this pulled from the Surly website? The Deluxe only takes 26" wheels to accommodate ease of airline travel and international availability. I've also heard the dependable touring groups start at 105 or XT, but that may have just been an upsell. I know I'll be spending enough on this thing already.
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I think 26" is still the way to go for a touring bike.

I think I would skip the Honjos and go with Berthoud. A tiny bit more weight, but much more robust
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Thanks, great suggestion. So sleek, too!
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SLX is cheaper than XT and still nicer than is "needed" actually, it is extremely nice. I would run mountain bike gearing, or at the least a 36 tooth cassette if you plan to use road cranks.

Nice wheels (36 spoke, strong rims, nice hubs like king/phil wood, DT, etc) if the budget allows. I would avoid 650b wheels, much smaller choice in rims/tires and less likely to find any of that at a bike shop, even spokes that fit might be tough to find and not all shops can cut spokes. In all my reading, 26in wheels really are the only way to go if you plan to tour outside the US.

This is a can of worms waiting to be opened but I would run v-brakes over canti's unless you really just like the style of them, v-brakes are easier to set up, less prone to fork chatter, and tend to be more powerful.

Make sure to post plenty of pics when finished btw, sounds like it will be a very nice build.

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I agree with the advice so far: avoid 650B (they're not bad, but you better bring spare tires) and V-brakes would be my choice over canti's... I have 26" tires and v-brakes on my LHT, I wouldn't change it. Definitely not road gears, I'd stick with XT stuff. Maybe a Sugino or Velo Orange triple crank... they're much better looking than the Shimano stuff, and nearly as light.

I can't help with shifters... I have downtube ones on mine.
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Was this pulled from the Surly website? The Deluxe only takes 26" wheels to accommodate ease of airline travel and international availability. I've also heard the dependable touring groups start at 105 or XT, but that may have just been an upsell. I know I'll be spending enough on this thing already.
I don't need to copy any website or list to create a build list for touring or road bikes. I don't just dream, I do.

The current build list is for 26" wheels. Only consider a 3x9 drivetrain for heavy, long-distance touring. 3x10 is less durable. Current 105 is 2x10 or 3x10. You will need to find a mixture of NOS and current parts to complete your build. eBay is a good source for NOS cycling parts.

Research cranksets here: http://www.bikeforums.net/showthread...et-for-touring
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Unless you are unusually narrow, I'd go with the wide bars. I am 6'2" with broad shoulders. One of the things I like about my LHT is that it came with pretty wide bars. 44cm I think. Very comfortable. I have the same on my IF road bike. I got a retrofitting a few years ago at a good shop and they actually suggested that I go with 46cm bars.
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Salsa woodchipper handlebars are measured at the center of the bend, just under the brake lever

42cm woodchipper



46cm woodchipper


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The Salsa Woodchippers are interesting, but you might give the 46 cm. Nitto Noodle bars a look. I'm 6-4, and I find them very comfortable.

You might have a look at these components:

VO aheadset (sealed bearing, very nice finish)
Cafam cantis
VO stem
Silver shifters (friction bar ends; none better)
XT hubs
Velocity rims, offset rear
Phil bottom bracket
XT derailleurs
Nitto seatpost
Brooks saddle of choice (you specified the Flyer -- nice pick)
Sugino XD cranks
SRAM chain. It's not mentioned earlier in this string, but I much prefer it to Shimano, and it shifts great with the Shimano derailleurs. I like that it doesn't take a chain breaker to remove and replace, and should it break, a spare gold link can effect the fix on the roadside with a minimum of trouble. I run Honjo fluted fenders, and I like them fine. If you're looking for something a little different, have a look at Woody's fenders.
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I'd forget building the "ultimate" touring bike, because your idea of "ultimate" is likely to evolve. Buy a stock LHT, change the saddle and pedals if you wish, and go ride it. Change stuff as it wears out or you want something different.

Tires and bar tape are consumables; don't worry about them, except for wheel size. And stick with what you can get at an LBS when there's only one in the next 150 miles and you notice your tire's wearing through -- 700C or 26".

Dyno hubs are great if you're commuting through the winter. Why do you think you want to tour at night?

Ortliebs are great. I'd suggest you go with the orange or yellow though, to give you a bit more visibility in heavy overcast, rain, or fog. Start with handlebar bag and Sportspacker for your shorter trips; you can buy the bigger bags later, if you want them.

All IMHO, of course!
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This is my latest "ultimate" touring bike build. It did not include 26" wheels. I don't plan on cycling through Mongolia any time soon; and if I do, I'll build up a suitable bike.

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Great advice all, thanks so very much! The reason I'm going for a build rather than stock is I definitely want something easy to pack. I plan on taking trips over mountains and enjoying train rides back for quick weekend rides, but the ultimate goal is each year taking three-week tours through Europe, S. America, Australia, and the like. The Deluxe would be ideal for packing and it helps that it comes in a pretty color Unfortunately for me, they're sold as framesets only, which is why I'm entertaining the notion of starting my list with the best and adjusting accordingly to match my budget. It's a shame 650b's aren't as popular yet, as they sound like the ideal middle ground for a larger touring bike (at least according to Sheldon Brown)
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Doug64, how do you like your Rollers? Any complaints trying to access gear in the back, or is it just a paltry inconvenience?
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Don't want to go disc brake?
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They are great. I would not even call them inconvenient to use. However, my wife has a set of Packer Pluses, and swears by them. The rear ones have almost 8,000 miles on them, and they are still in great shape. The other Ortlieb gear was acquired incrementally over the last 4 years to replace worn out or unsatisfactory gear. Ortliebs tend to spoil a guy.

Have you considered going to a 11/12-34 cassette? That will give you a really nice range.
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I'm currently building a Trucker Deluxe also, expedition style, here's my specs:

Frame: Surly Trucker Deluxe, midnight blue, 2011
Size: 54cm, 26" wheels
Fork: Surly uncut steer tube, lugged and brazed
Headset: Ritchey Logic Comp, 1-1/8" threadless, black
Front Derailleur: Shimano Tiagra FD-4403 triple
Rear Derailleur: Shimano Deore LX, RD-M581, SGS, long cage
Shifters: Shimano SL-BS64 Bar-end, 8-speed
Crankset: Sugino XD600, 46-36-24t, 170mm arms
Bottom Bracket: Shimano UN54, 68x113mm
Seatpost: Kalloy Uno, 27.2, 350mm, black
Seatpost Clamp: Salsa, black
Handlebars: Nitto North Road, 25.4mm clamp, 550mm width, CroMoly
Brake Levers: Tektro RL520 Ergo, black
Brakes: Shimano Deore XT, BR-M770, V-brakes
Brake Pads: Kool Stop
Saddle: Brooks B67, honey
Hubs: Shimano XT, HU-M770, 36h, silver
Spokes: DT Swiss, stainless, silver
Rims: 26", Mavic XM719 , 36h, black
Cassette SRAM PG850 8-speed, 11-32t
Chain: SRAM PC-870, 8-speed
Cables: Jagwire
Cable Separators: Easy-Split In-Line
Tires: Schwalbe Marathon Extreme, 26x2.0
Fenders: SKS, P65mm, Chromoplastic, black

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himespau, I originally wanted to go with disc brakes but talked myself out of them when considering the difficulty of road repair and replacement. A more experienced cyclist may not be as wary as I Doug64, a 11-34 cassette does sound great for some of the bigger loads I'll be hauling up into the Sierras! I only worry with 26" tires and MTB gearing I'll feel clunky. Not trying to set landspeed records, but I've ridden 700c's since getting into cycling so the change will take some getting used to. BigAura, looks great! What do you suppose it'll cost in the end? How did you decide on a Tiagra vs Deore front derailleur?
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I only worry with 26" tires and MTB gearing I'll feel clunky.
Wait to you see what a 62cm frame looks like with 26" wheels

The cassette/derailleur combination won't feel at all clunky.

I run a full mountain drive train and it does not add anything to the "clunkiness" of a LHT.

When it comes to touring bikes, I think function wins out over form.


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Ha ha, yes. I'm trying to grow accustomed to the look already by staring at this picture obsessively: http://www.flickr.com/photos/4571535...n/photostream/
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Almost but I'd suggest some changes:

Handle bar: Salsa Bell Lap in the proper width for your shoulders. Bell Laps have a bit of flare but not as much as the Wood Chipper. Riding on the hoods of the Wood Chipper could be uncomfortable after a while. Compare this flare with that of the Wood Chipper.



Stem: The Forte' is an okay choice but a RaceFace Deus or Salsa Moto isn't all the much more and are nicer units.

Bar tape: I prefer Cinelli or Deda

STI Brifter: Tiagra 3x9

Seat post: A Race Face Evolve or Turbine is easier to adjust. Level and saddle clamping are independent of one another.

Seat post clamp: Surly

Front derailleur: Tiagra for triple. No argument here. Best triple front derailer around.

Crankset: Shimano Deore FC-M590 48-36-22t. Third best choice. First best is a tie between an XT trekking crank and a old 5-arm ISIS RaceFace Turbine with a 58mm inner bolt ring diameter. The 58mm lets you run a 20 tooth inner.

Bottom bracket: Shimano Deore external. Okay but if you have the money, you can't go wrong with Phil or King.

Rear derailleur: Shimano Deore SGS RD-M591. I'd go normal rise XT or XTR. Derailers are fairly cheap and the higher end stuff gives the bike a 'Wow!' factor

Cassette: 11-34 9 speed or, if you can find one, an 11-36.

Brakes: Tektro CR720. Okay but if you can swing it, go with Paul's touring.

Headset: Chris King. Yea, it's expensive but it's an American product (as are the Paul brakes and the Phil bottom bracket) and it comes in purty colors. It'll outlast a dozen bikes too.

Chain: Shimano 9 speed Only if you ditch the stupid replacement pin and go with a master link. Or just buy a Sram chain to begin with.

Wheelset: 36 spoke Velocity Dyad/Shimano/DT Alpin[e III]. I corrected it. The Dyad is okay and I like the idea of a shorter spoke with the higher center ridge but I'd probably choose a Synergy with an O/C for the rear to take advantage of the decreased dishing. I'd go with a set of Phil Wood hubs too. Easiest hubs to tear down in the middle of no where if you have to.

Cables: Jagwire Just as long as the inner wire is teflon coated.

I'll add

Racks: Tubus front and rear

Brake pads: Kool Stop dual compound MTB pads

Bags: Ortlieb. Front, rear and handlebar bag

Water bottle cages: King cages (out of Durango)

Pump: Topeak Road Morph, of course

And for a bit of color: Purely Custom bar ends, stem cap, spacers, valve stem cover and other shiny bits.
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Almost..? Almost what?

I'm glad you have an opinion, but I'll stick with mine.

If a component change makes a bike significantly more comfortable, faster or more reliable, great.

If a build if driven by name-brand preference and the cost is higher, why the disrespect?
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Almost? Almost what?

I'm glad you have an opinion, but I'll stick with mine.

If a a component change makes a bike significantly more comfortable, faster or more reliable, great.

If a build if driven by name-brand preference and the cost is higher, why the disrespect?
Sorry but no disrespect intended nor offered. Should have read something like "Almost a good list but I'd suggest some changes". I thought you were offering a 'dream' bike ...not necessarily your own build list. You did cut out the rest of my sentence in your quote.

The suggestions that I made for components are based on a number of factors of which name-brand isn't the most important. Examples: I've found Cinelli and Deda tape to be more durable than Profile Design. A Race Face seatpost is easier to setup than any post on the market...and I noticed you dropped a name there in your list. Paul cantilever brakes are easier to set up than just about anything I've ever used. Phil Wood hubs are, deservedly, legendary. Being able to take the hubs apart with a 5 mm allen wrench makes them superior to any other hub on the market. The whole cassette body comes off making spoke changes a snap and much easier than trying to remove the cassette with a Hypercracker. A Chris King headset will last for decades without any maintenance.

My list is basically how my touring bike is set up and I used components based on durability, ease of service and, yes, a little bling factor. But meileiblvd's thread is titled "Surly Trucker Deluxe: Share your dreams with me" and he has a budget of $3000. My bike's cost is right at that price point and it include the original purchase price ($900) of the Cannondale T800 that I stripped the parts off of to pimp my ride

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I've learned a great deal from these forums including how strong my urge to tour has become. I commute ~100 miles/wk with a Trek FX 7.3 and am ready to build up a Trucker Deluxe 62cm for the big trips! 130 mile weekenders through mountains will be very common, a 400mile-or-so tour's being planned for this summer, and I intend to take it for 3-week tours abroad in the coming years.

My question to y'all: What sort of components would you recommend to a bike-building newbie with the goal of keeping prices under or near $3000? Would you rather ride XT's or 105s? STIs or Bar-ends? Anyone get stuck walking up an incline for lack of 11t? Will I be laughed out of my LBS for understanding aesthetics more than cranksets?

My ideal kit so far includes
-62cm frame ( I'm 6'5" 215 lbs)
-Drop bars (wide or standard??)
-Red Grand Bois tires - 650b's fit apparently, and BEAUTIFULLY
-Honjo fenders
-grey Ortlieb front/rear/handlebar packs
-Dynohub
-Brooks Honey Flyer Saddle and matching tape
-Cantilever brakes

What do you think? Thanks!
Go with yellow or, at least red, panniers. Gray, black, blue, etc tend to get lost in the world. They look nice and all but if you don't have a third dimension* to appreciate them, they aren't of much use.



*I.e. you get squished
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