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    Home-brewed Pepper Sprays and Delivery Systems?

    These might be advantageous in some ways: money savings, wider and easier availability, independence from pepper spray suppliers, international availability, more widely legal (though possibly not universally legal, unless used or described primarily as a condiment), no loss of pressure, etc.

    They could be delivered using a mister that has a 'squirt' setting. A good quality squirt *** with fairly long range would be another possibility. Maybe there are some other good choices as well?

    Spoke with a woman a couple of days ago who did something similar, for some dogs that had been harassing her on local rides. She used household ammonia in a mister bottle. She would put her feet up on the bars to get them out of the dogs' reach, and squirt them with the ammonia. The dogs didn't stop barking at her on subsequent rides, but they learned to keep their distance. So it worked well for her.

    Ammonia, though, might not be the best choice for this. Apparently, it can cause permanent eye damage in humans. So it isn't clear that it wouldn't also do this in the case of dogs as well, in some cases at least.

    Pepper spray might be a better choice.

    So the question here, in this thread, is - How to make home-brewed pepper sprays?

    I'm guessing that there are ways to do this, starting with hot chili powder, hot sauce, hot peppers, cayenne, or other starting ingredients. Would it be a matter of making a tea, then boiling it down and concentrating it? Surely there must be ways of doing this?

    Another approach would be to buy some of the hottest cayenne or powdered peppers available, and just use it as a powder. Some cyclists have used this approach, though it isn't clear how effective it is. They carry the powder in a pouch on their handlebars, and just throw some in the dogs' faces. Not so good in certain sorts of windy conditions, perhaps; and the range seems limited; but maybe there are improved versions of this approach?

    Pepper spray is illegal in some areas of the world, but I doubt that the same sorts of limits exist on hot sauces. They seem to be pretty widely accepted.

    It would be interesting to refine the approach and the delivery systems, and to make this work.
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    I had a bumper crop of peppers a couple summers ago. Heres what I did, but originaly it was for spraying on my garden to keep pests down naturaly.

    Dried the peppers out. Totaly dried. then made some tea out of it by boiling. Strained the liquid, mortared and pestled the remainder, and strained it(used a very very fine strainer made for mixing ceramic glazes).
    Put it in a bottle with an adjustable sprayer. was spraying my tomatoes, and one of those big red hornets started buzzing me. sprayed it, and it knocked it out of the air.
    Sprayed it on the ground, and it died.

    So, I started carrying it around on the bike. It worked well, but the sprayer is the weak link. If it leaks at all, and gets on the hands, and one wipes sweat out of thier eyes, they will fall off the bike right away and be unable to see for twenty minutes or so. I know this.

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    Found a couple vids,

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Usdzh...eature=related

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YCz41Dzt6wU

    The first one just uses a water bottle, which could be carried in a cage for easy access. I wonder if the right water bottle(s) would squirt farther than most others. There were some lab bottles that someone recommended for long-distance squirting. Wow. I like this idea. Much simpler than a squirt *** or mister bottle. Fewer moving parts, less chance of failure or need to replace. Plus it fits right in, on a bike. Great.

    Now, who makes those bottles?

    (Could also make this idea even more effective by doing grip exercises to strengthen the appropriate muscles in the hand and forearm. Great. Very human powered.)

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    Quote Originally Posted by shipwreck View Post
    I had a bumper crop of peppers a couple summers ago. Heres what I did, but originaly it was for spraying on my garden to keep pests down naturaly.

    Dried the peppers out. Totaly dried. then made some tea out of it by boiling. Strained the liquid, mortared and pestled the remainder, and strained it(used a very very fine strainer made for mixing ceramic glazes).
    Put it in a bottle with an adjustable sprayer. was spraying my tomatoes, and one of those big red hornets started buzzing me. sprayed it, and it knocked it out of the air.
    Sprayed it on the ground, and it died.

    So, I started carrying it around on the bike. It worked well, but the sprayer is the weak link. If it leaks at all, and gets on the hands, and one wipes sweat out of thier eyes, they will fall off the bike right away and be unable to see for twenty minutes or so. I know this.
    Growing your own. I like that. I've noticed some ultra-high-BTU peppers in specialized seed catalogs....

    Maybe some of the ethnic food aisles and stores would be additional possibilities. When traveling in some parts of the world, there are probably sauces and powders available that are unusually hot, and even inexpensive as well.

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    I think a very good, high quality squirt *** would be just the ticket. Does anyone make one?
    more cops have been killed by donuts than guns in chicago it is a medical fact ask any doctor.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sknhgy View Post
    I think a very good, high quality squirt *** would be just the ticket. Does anyone make one?
    Here is one of the better ones I've come across,

    http://www.amazon.com/Water-Sports-T...owViewpoints=0

    Someone suggests putting a smaller nozzle on it. You can read more about people's experiences with it in the reviews. There are also some much smaller squirt guns linked where it says "Customers Who Bought This Item Also Bought." The 24" Stream Machine seems to weigh in at about 2.2 ounces, which isn't bad.

    http://www.amazon.com/Water-Sports-T...=cm_cr_pr_pb_t

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    Quote Originally Posted by Niles H. View Post
    Found a couple vids,

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Usdzh...eature=related

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YCz41Dzt6wU

    The first one just uses a water bottle, which could be carried in a cage for easy access. I wonder if the right water bottle(s) would squirt farther than most others. There were some lab bottles that someone recommended for long-distance squirting. Wow. I like this idea. Much simpler than a squirt *** or mister bottle. Fewer moving parts, less chance of failure or need to replace. Plus it fits right in, on a bike. Great.

    Now, who makes those bottles?

    (Could also make this idea even more effective by doing grip exercises to strengthen the appropriate muscles in the hand and forearm. Great. Very human powered.)

    http://www.amazon.com/b?ie=UTF8&node=393361011
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    Something in the shape of a *** , may get a reply, with a real one.

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    Quote Originally Posted by fietsbob View Post
    Something in the shape of a *** , may get a reply, with a real one.
    Pretty rough area you're in; dogs carrying guns.

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    A good quality sqiurt *** with some lemon juice or diluted vinegar (10%) works well, place the squirt *** in a ziplock style bag and put it in your handlebar bag. Also a small plant mister works, adjust it to a stream, some will fit in a water bottle holder.
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    take hot sauce, water, and peppermint extract and mix together. Add a tablespoon of habenero powder and you are done. No heat, no nothing.

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    Dave's Insaninty Hot Sauce.....750,000 scoville units......one drop will deter human or beast.....Will clean the grease off of your driveway also....Just the very tip of a toothpick,I mean you can just see it,is more than most people can stand.

    Jalapenos are about 5000 units....Scotch Bonnets are about 200,000 units.....

    If that isn't enough,they make one that's 1.5 million scoville units.It's clear,pure capstan(that's what makes peppers hot).You have to sign a release before they will sell it to you.....It's so strong,that if you get it on you bare hand,it will raise a water blister!

    There's even a stronger one,but I'm not going to mention it,it can hurt you bad if your not careful...it's 2.5 million units!

    These are hot sauces that are made for putting in big pots of chili to add heat,so don't try it on a taco.....you've been warned!

    You can put regular Dave's in a taco if you think you like hot stuff,it won't hurt you,but.....
    Last edited by Booger1; 02-21-12 at 01:54 PM.
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    note to self: don't eat boogers food!

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    A little sidetracked, but if you are going to use ammonia as a dog deterrent you should use real ammonia, not the sudsy ammonia cleaning solution, and dilute it at least 10:1 with water. You don't need to aim for the eyes. The reason ammonia works is it smells like urine to a dog and being peed on by a larger dog (you with a sprayer bottle in this case) establishes you as the alpha. Be aware that this only works on dogs who are testing you or who like chasing games. Doing this to an aggressive alpha male is just asking for a fight.
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