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    All City Space Horse

    Has anyone seen this yet?

    http://allcitycycles.com/bikes/space_horse

    It's being marketed as a do everything/utility/light touring bike, probably not too different from the crosscheck and the similar pake and salsa bikes.

    Seeing as this is just about exactly what I've been looking for, I was thinking of picking one up (frame/fork that is). My only concern is the load capacity. It says 30lb rear and 20lb front, which I'm sure are conservative estimates. What are the average load capacities for normal touring bikes? I'm 150 lbs and would like to use this for touring- do I have anything to worry about? I feel like I'd never be packing more than 50 lbs of gear anyway, but I'd like more experienced folks' opinions.

    Thanks!

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    Id be more concerned that it has a 50/34 crank on it. Not really ideal for having a load on a bike and dealing with varying terrain.

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    Quote Originally Posted by djb View Post
    Id be more concerned that it has a 50/34 crank on it. Not really ideal for having a load on a bike and dealing with varying terrain.

    But with a 12-30 casette, should handle most any "light" touring duties.

    Looks like they used a somewhat lighter tube set than something like the LHT. While it can probably handle more than the listed weights, the handling might get wonky.

    Might be the ideal sort of bike for the quick overnight I'm planning for this weekend....

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    A 30 granny with a 30 cassette must be close to 30 gear inches.
    Depends on terrain, weight and rider , but in my experienced opinion, not low enough.

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    Quote Originally Posted by djb View Post
    A 30 granny with a 30 cassette must be close to 30 gear inches.
    Depends on terrain, weight and rider , but in my experienced opinion, not low enough.
    Yes, a 34 front and 30 back is around a 30 inch gear. Maybe that's low enough for unloaded bike, but I agree, even if fairly lightly loaded, if there is any significant hill, it could get rough on the knees.

    True, 30 gear inches is a lower gear than you could ordinarily get 35 years ago, but those gears weren't good for my knees then (and they would be worse now).

    Steep hills are everywhere. Even Central Illinois (which most people view as "flat") actually has some long steep hills as you climb out of river valleys. Lower gearing gives you the option to comfortably pedal in varied terrain.

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    The OP is talking about picking up a frame/fork. The specs on the complete bike aren't really relevant. They should be able to gear it however they want.

    I don't remember seeing load capacities spelled out like that before. I tend to think that any steel framed bike could handle most touring loads, it's just a question of whether or not they'd ride good with the load. I could be wrong about that, but so far I've loaded up a number of bikes, touring and otherwise, and only broken one frame, and I don't think that was from the weight of my gear. I suspect it's more a question of how the bike would handle. They say it's made to carry a load, so I think it would be fine. You're 150. If you're carrying 50 lbs of gear, you're still lighter then me when I'm riding with no gear, so it's hard to imagine the frame couldn't handle your loads unless the rack connections were too weak due to lighter tubing. Maybe someone else will chime in that this is a concern, but it's not one I would have thought of.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rob_E View Post
    The OP is talking about picking up a frame/fork. The specs on the complete bike aren't really relevant. They should be able to gear it however they want.
    oops, sorry I missed that, of course he or she will be able to gear it as they want.

    re: your comment about load capacities, ya I've never seen limits mentioned before like that (except vaguely for the carbon fork on my Tricross, and even then if I remember it wasnt a clear cut number--or maybe thats what they said at the bike shop, cant recall)
    As you say, so many rider weight variables, kinda strange to put a black and white number on it.

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    Looks like a nice setup. However, depending on your frame size, the chainstays are 2 cm to 2.5 cm shorter than the LHT. Again, depending on your foot size, heel strike may or may not be an issue. Just something to think about.

    I'm not sure why they would put a "short rear end" on a bike that may be used with panniers.

    The geometry of the frameset itself, is a mix of traditional road and touring geo's giving the bike agile head tube and seat tube numbers, a relatively short rear end....................................

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    Thanks for the replies everyone.

    Yes this would be a frame/fork purchase only. I'm planning on using an 11-34 cassette and a compact (50/34) for local riding, and then throwing on a triple for loaded touring.

    Being a lighter guy and after hearing replies here and from friends, the supposed weight limits they list aren't of any worry to me. At the shop I work at one of the cheap-o planet bike rear racks has a supposed higher weight capacity then some of the higher quality touring ones. Not sure what these sort of claims are based off of, but obviously they aren't to be taken too seriously.

    Also, WHEELS: I was thinking of building up some 32 hole Open pro's for this bike. On normal un-loaded riding these will fair wonderfully, but how will they handle a loaded up bike? I want something versatile, something that can go fast and perform but also be used to tour. Would something like this fit the bill?

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    just took another look at the details of the bikes geometry, on a 55cm frame, the chainstays are 440mm, which will be perfectly fine and really isnt a "short rear end". My Tricross has that, my old touring bike as well, even my mtn bike that I ride with panniers on has pretty much that chainstay length. I have size 9 feet for reference. Being a lighter guy as well (140) it certainly does give some leeway for bike load and wheel stress but sorry, dont have enough wheel knowledge to give any insight for that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by djb View Post
    just took another look at the details of the bikes geometry, on a 55cm frame, the chainstays are 440mm, which will be perfectly fine and really isnt a "short rear end". My Tricross has that, my old touring bike as well, even my mtn bike that I ride with panniers on has pretty much that chainstay length. I have size 9 feet for reference. Being a lighter guy as well (140) it certainly does give some leeway for bike load and wheel stress but sorry, dont have enough wheel knowledge to give any insight for that.
    Alright thanks, this information definitely helps.

    I think I'm gonna do it. I'll prob pick up the frame/fork in the next couple of weeks after I get my race bike squared away. I'll make sure to post pics/reviews!

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    Have you seen this bike in person yet? I assume your main interest is the custom dropout right?
    Is there a way to test ride a demo? I ask simply because if buying unseen, there are bikes like the Vaya models that I think are steel framed ( I may be mistaken) or others that have been used for touring etc and you can either testride or find owner impressions of how they ride, loaded or unloaded.

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    It's not a bad frameset, could be used for touring, but the LHT is a better choice in many ways (CS length, HT length, larger diameter TT, vertical dropouts) for this application. The ACSH would be a good choice for an IGH build and moderate-loaded touring.

    The Space Horse is pretty, but it costs even more than the LHT ($550 vs 470 or less).

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