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Old 01-18-05, 05:32 PM   #1
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Anyone else tour with their pets?

Love touring with my dogs, Airwick and Agape, two Jack Russell terriers. I'm interested in hearing from others who have toured with their pets across country or around their neighborhood. Love to see some pics of your bicycling better half. The three of us made it across country and they were the best partners I could have ever had. www.agape.crazyguyonabike.com
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Hey Hank!

Welcome aboard!

There are a lot of good folks up here. Hopefully we will read about more people who have toured with pets.

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how i would love to tour with my buddy. hes a maltese around 18 lbs and he would absolutely love it.
did you use a Burley baby trailer? did they just bark when they had to make?

thats great man!
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how i would love to tour with my buddy. hes a maltese around 18 lbs and he would absolutely love it.
did you use a Burley baby trailer? did they just bark when they had to make?

thats great man!
Your Maltese is the perfect weight and will love riding around your neighborhood. Only time will tell if they enjoy it enough to ride extended touring like my Jack Russells. I don't recommend a trailer version at all and for many reasons but mainly the comfort and safety of your pet. (Most options were a trailer seat for a dog so we invented our own) Take a look at this:
http://www.crazyguyonabike.com/journ..._id=16021&v=dc
and you'll see what we did. Both russells went on the cross country and that was approximately 42 lbs. ( This was our rain/hurricane version we called the hardtop ) The neat thing is we had three different versions all interchangeable in seconds. http://www.bicycletouring101.com/BikeXtracycle.htm
Will tell you more about our actual set up. Let us know if you start pedaling with your dog. You'll love it.

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yes!! an xtracycle!
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Great website and good fun riding with the dogs!! I ride quite often with my american eskimo, Cooper. He seems to enjoy it for the most part!! We have done several 50 - 70 mile days, and a few multi-day rides. I do not have a website, but have attached a few photos to this post.
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I was wondering about a method for taking my rat on tour, and then I thought about going over bumps and such and came to the conclusion that it is cruel to subject an animal to conditions that humans often find difficult to endure. That, and it's just selfish. It's one thing to subject myself to the possibility of being rear-ended by passing traffic, quite another to force an animal into facing the same risk.
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There is a good deal of truth in what you have said tourbike, and this is why I made several rides around the neighbohood, and on extremely quiet roads before even attempting to bring Cooper along on any sort of tour. Had I the slightest inclination that he was at all uncomfortable, or in undue danger, I would have not elected to include him in further rides. Of my three dogs, one does not at all care for riding (he prefers to run along side of me when I elect to run rather than ride), one is lukewarm on the whole idea, and Cooper, as far as I can tell, enjoys it. He loves meeting people on the rides. A side note, when on multiday tours, my wife has been with me (in her minivan) providing assistance, or an alternate mode of transportation if Cooper needs. As for the traffic, and possibility of being struck by a vehicle, we ride back roads always (except once - on a tour due to an unexpected detour). There is still a possibility that something could happen......this is a risk I will assume for Cooper and myself. In the enjoyment of life, we ultimately all take risks.

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I carry my dog in the same setup as peloton, and I don't thnk it put's the dog in undue danger. Why not save these attack-style posts for people who carry kiddies in kiddie trailers?
Airwick, I read your entire weblog and it was cool! Maybe think about getting a trailer for better load distribution and safety for you and the dogs? A trailer would definitely keep you from getting flats as often as you did. That's a lot of weight to put on small high pressure tires. Good luck on your current tour.
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I carry my dog in the same setup as peloton, and I don't thnk it put's the dog in undue danger. Why not save these attack-style posts for people who carry kiddies in kiddie trailers?
Because I care for pets just as much as humans. It wasn't really an attack, I just thought I'd post my opinion on the ethics of traveling with a pet. I stated I was thinking about the same thing myself before I arrived at that opinion, which required me to think more about the welfare of said pet, rather than my desire to bring it.
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There is still a possibility that something could happen......this is a risk I will assume for Cooper and myself. In the enjoyment of life, we ultimately all take risks.

Ride on................
We navigate calculated risks in our own lives every day. My point is the animal has no choice in the matter, while you certainly do. If your dogs were to get injured/killed, the blame would fall squarely on you, as you have noted. Let's face it, cycling is dangerous, and while that's not going to keep me from riding (as my missing two front teeth can attest to), I am certainly going to minimize the risk involved to other living things as much as I can, so I wouldn't choose to ride with a pet.
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Love touring with my dogs, Airwick and Agape, two Jack Russell terriers. I'm interested in hearing from others who have toured with their pets across country or around their neighborhood. Love to see some pics of your bicycling better half. The three of us made it across country and they were the best partners I could have ever had. www.agape.crazyguyonabike.com

Airwick,

I want to do the same thing, and have been wracking my brain for months. I have a mid-sized dog, an Australian Cattle Dog, about 40 something pounds, and I haven't figured out how we can go on a long-distance tour yet. I'd like him to run along side me for 10-15 miles a day (which he does with me off-road), but I am very afraid of traffic. Any ideas from you or others would be greatly appreciated. I have a Burley Nomad, a Burly child trailer, and an Xtracycle currently attached to a mtn bike, but I can't see how to do it.
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Cooper tips the scale at about 45 pounds, and the trailer works well for him. As far as running along side the bike, I personally would not do that with any of my dogs. The safety issue you mention with traffic is one concern, my other concern (with my dogs in particular) is something along the road capturing their attention. A 40 - 50 pound dog would no doubt pull a bicycle and rider quickly off course if tethered. Again, personally, I would not ride with a dog running along side untethered either.

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I have a springer for biking with a dog trotting beside. It is not made with touring in mind though.
Lauren,

What's a "springer?"
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Here's a Springer. Pretty nifty, if you ask me. SteelCommuter, my last dog was an Australian Cattle Dog, and letting him run alongside my bicycle was the only way I could keep him from bouncing off the walls! They're great dogs, but turn into MANIACS without proper exercise, so you might think about getting one of these.
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Well, I'm going to have to get that! It seems like that really is useful on low traffic trails and roads where your dog has to be on a leash. Was that how you two used them?
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Well, I'm going to have to get that! It seems like that really is useful on low traffic trails and roads where your dog has to be on a leash. Was that how you two used them?
Oh yeah. I wouldn't take a dog running with that near heavy traffic. It's got a breakaway mechanism on it in case the dog falls so he won't get strangled, and if this happens, there's still a chance the dog could run into traffic afterwards. So it's not for commuting in downtown Chicago! My ACD used to attack other dogs on site and chase cars, so I had to "keep him on a short leash", anyway.
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Hi Hank, I can't believe all the negativity about your dog touring trip. It looks like you guys had a great time. Your dogs are smiling all the way. For a Jack Russell to jump out of a moving bike after another dog, bird, squirrel or anything fuzzy is well worth the risk for him. They were bred to take much bigger risks that that. Ya know, sometimes dogs get hurt, so do kids, but we still let them go ride ther bikes. The joy and the fun far out-weigh the risk.
I can't wait to read the next airwick adventure!
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I'd love to tour with my dogs when I get out of the Navy (can't have pets w/o someone to care for them!).

Addressing the ethics of subjecting one's animals to danger while bicycle touring: I believe that arguing the evils of subjecting a "helpless" animal to a tour is moot. As far as companion animals go, it is my opinion that one should do their best for their pet. However, this does not mean that there is something wrong with subjecting it to reasonable risks. Danger exists in everything one does. We can only try to tip the scales in our favour, but I don't think that should come at the expense of experiencing life.

No, the dog doesn't choose or have control over whether I bring it; however, I am feeding and caring for said dog and having an eye for its welfare on the trip, which it will spend with me instead of a kennel somewhere. I think it's a fair exchange.

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I carry my dog in the same setup as peloton, and I don't thnk it put's the dog in undue danger. Why not save these attack-style posts for people who carry kiddies in kiddie trailers?
Airwick, I read your entire weblog and it was cool! Maybe think about getting a trailer for better load distribution and safety for you and the dogs? A trailer would definitely keep you from getting flats as often as you did. That's a lot of weight to put on small high pressure tires. Good luck on your current tour.

Hi Kris,
Our flats were caused by the thorns while in Texas. We did try a trailer in the beginning but was the wrong choice for us. The Xtracycle works great and kept Airwick and Agape up and away from the heat of the road. Go to www.bicyletouring101.com and look for our article under Touring with an Xtracycle. Thank you for the well wishes, we'll need it.

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Hi Hank, I can't believe all the negativity about your dog touring trip. It looks like you guys had a great time. Your dogs are smiling all the way. For a Jack Russell to jump out of a moving bike after another dog, bird, squirrel or anything fuzzy is well worth the risk for him. They were bred to take much bigger risks that that. Ya know, sometimes dogs get hurt, so do kids, but we still let them go ride ther bikes. The joy and the fun far out-weigh the risk.
I can't wait to read the next airwick adventure!
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Hi man. Great to see you and congrats on your own tour. Airwick and Agape had free reign inside their cab/seat but were in a safety harness which protected them in case of accident or the urge to chase dogs. (and trust me, Airwick would have fought all dogs and chased all females) I notice that most people who pretend to be concerned for the "welfare" of touring pets have little or no experience. We have over 7,000 miles now and I could make a reasonable case for either side but all pets can be safely transported but that doesn't mean that all pets should or would want to travel. I've been wanting to ask you how your bob worked for you. Let's team up and hit the road my friend. (you take Agape)

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Airwick,

I want to do the same thing, and have been wracking my brain for months. I have a mid-sized dog, an Australian Cattle Dog, about 40 something pounds, and I haven't figured out how we can go on a long-distance tour yet. I'd like him to run along side me for 10-15 miles a day (which he does with me off-road), but I am very afraid of traffic. Any ideas from you or others would be greatly appreciated. I have a Burley Nomad, a Burly child trailer, and an Xtracycle currently attached to a mtn bike, but I can't see how to do it.
Hi SC,
Your cattle dog (most likely) will love touring with you. At 40 lbs, he is the same weight as my two russells combined and right at the limit I'd say for comfortably riding with the Xtracycle attachment. Buy a proper sized pet carrier and attach it to the snapdeck. A trailer may work better for you because of the size of the cattle dog. If that is the case, simply modify your bob to accept the carrier and give him free reign but safety with a harness. I think A carrier that you modify yourself beats a commercially available trailer in most cases because the prebuilt carriers limit the pet's mobility. One thing to watch for if you do go with a trailer version. Heat from the road.

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OK I've to say something about bringing pets on a tour. I have had dogs all my life, and they would love being with you while you ride. People who protest the humane treatment of animals really get me going. We farm and the animal rights activists are getting a little out of hand. We treat all of our animals very well, but I guess we are exploiting them.
This is a true story, a few years ago a farmer died leaving 3 horses. As the farmer had been quite elderly he had nor worked the horses for a number of years and they had just stood around. A farmer down the road took the horses and started to use them in his driving teams were he gave hay rides around the area. An animal rights group protested saying the horses had not in the past been subject to this abusive work and therefore now they were being exploited. The new owner tired of the protests and sold the horses at a sale. The horses were sold for meat!
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