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    Pretty much any frame from the 1970-80's can be built up as a touring rig. Why pay hundreds of dollars for a chromoly frame you can find at the dumps or thrift store? Surly and Velo Orange don't make anything special. They just took a practical design of the past and marketed it to make a hefty profit.

    Wheels and hubs are of more importance than the frame of a touring rig. Get a good old fashioned dumpster chromoly frame and have her aligned by a pro frame builder. Get some wheels and ride.

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    Jesus wept. I'm officially giving up on you people.

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    Clearly all steel frames with threaded forks are pretty much interchangeable.

    Quote Originally Posted by SoreFeet View Post
    Pretty much any frame from the 1970-80's can be built up as a touring rig. Why pay hundreds of dollars for a chromoly frame you can find at the dumps or thrift store? Surly and Velo Orange don't make anything special. They just took a practical design of the past and marketed it to make a hefty profit.

    Wheels and hubs are of more importance than the frame of a touring rig. Get a good old fashioned dumpster chromoly frame and have her aligned by a pro frame builder. Get some wheels and ride.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Six jours View Post
    Jesus wept. I'm officially giving up on you people.
    Probably the best response to this whole thread. It's a big letdown.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Six jours View Post
    Jesus wept. I'm officially giving up on you people.
    and after the Ashtabula was mentioned as the pinnacle of bottom bracket functionality?

    Lest not forget the debate over the merits of slack chain shifting (so functional, no derailleurs!). Who needs a frame with a rear derailleur hanger?
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    Keep it up, Bek, and I'll start shouting "Grant Petersen!" and then lock the exits on my way out.

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    Quote Originally Posted by EdgewaterDude View Post
    Probably the best response to this whole thread. It's a big letdown.
    Lemme see if I can encapsulate:

    Velo Orange has a new frame. The rack attachments might be strong enough to attach racks. Or maybe not. It's designed for a headset that worked fine for 100 years but doesn't anymore, unless it does. If you can find one at the dump that'd be cool. Grant Petersen! Grant Petersen!

    So with that out of the way, anyone up for a debate on partial birth abortion?

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    Quote Originally Posted by MassiveD View Post
    I think when one gets into the question of touring on non-Surly touring bikes, the form over function thing comes up also. Granted, there are probably a few serious cross racers out there getting dual duty out of their CCs, But I have seen tons of threads and a lot of it sounds like poser 101. Of course the people who are 100% function oriented are also posers.





    Exactlty, relative to the Surly it is form over function as opposed to function over form. You have convinced me.
    What you're doing right now is called creating a false dichotomy. You're suggesting that either a bike is built based on function OR on form. You might as well be arguing that someone can either be smart or good-looking, but not both. It's nonsense. Function and form can both achieved simultaneously. If you need an example, look at a 50's randonneuring bike, an iphone, samurai sword, or a Lamborghini.



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    Quote Originally Posted by fietsbob View Post
    Yea But, Who got one and where are the pictures of it?

    Here's a pic if mine. Here's also a series of photos of someone else's build that puts mine to shame (that or they just have a lot better lighting).

    http://www.flickr.com/photos/69421720@N02/8411095985/
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    For those of you who came to this thread to actually learn more about the Campeur, and not just rattle off about headsets, here's a pretty good review by gypsybytrade. http://gypsybytrade.wordpress.com/20...f-the-campeur/
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    Quote Originally Posted by SoreFeet View Post
    Pretty much any frame from the 1970-80's can be built up as a touring rig. Why pay hundreds of dollars for a chromoly frame you can find at the dumps or thrift store? Surly and Velo Orange don't make anything special. They just took a practical design of the past and marketed it to make a hefty profit.

    Wheels and hubs are of more importance than the frame of a touring rig. Get a good old fashioned dumpster chromoly frame and have her aligned by a pro frame builder. Get some wheels and ride.
    Tire size might matter. Lots of older bikes don't take 700 x 38c with fenders (that might matter). Vintage touring bikes aren't that easy to come by and usually command a premium so the price of this is not out of line compared to what a good quality vintage touring frame will bring. I'm reading this thread, in part, because I'm trying to decide whether to keep an old touring bike that badly needs a repaint of whether I will buy a new frame and sell the old one. I've been fence sitting on this decision for a while. Being able to run a 700 x 38c tire and fenders is a good thing on a touring bike.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dvald001 View Post
    What you're doing right now is called creating a false dichotomy. You're suggesting that either a bike is built based on function OR on form. You might as well be arguing that someone can either be smart or good-looking, but not both. It's nonsense. Function and form can both achieved simultaneously. If you need an example, look at a 50's randonneuring bike, an iphone, samurai sword, or a Lamborghini.



    That is not what I am doing, there is no, as you say, inherent conflict between form and function. But what that means is that if something were perfectly functional in every respect, then it's form would also be beautiful, but that assumes the observers can take the truth. Most people don't get the function, and they will spend a hundred years resisting clearly superior stuff, like multi-hulled sailboats, or bikes, for that mater. The surly was clearly targeting people who want a practical bike, the name says it. And the same with the velo stuff for the cyclo chic people. Think toilet paper, you can have the perfect blend of strength and softness, but in Britain they sold stuff as hard as aluminum foil on it's strength and sterility. In the US they sell it on whether a kitten would want to take it home to meet it's parents.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MassiveD View Post
    Think toilet paper, you can have the perfect blend of strength and softness, but in Britain they sold stuff as hard as aluminum foil on it's strength and sterility...
    so thats where the expression, "lay back and think of England" came from.

    makes sense.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bikemig View Post
    Tire size might matter. Lots of older bikes don't take 700 x 38c with fenders (that might matter). Vintage touring bikes aren't that easy to come by and usually command a premium so the price of this is not out of line compared to what a good quality vintage touring frame will bring. I'm reading this thread, in part, because I'm trying to decide whether to keep an old touring bike that badly needs a repaint of whether I will buy a new frame and sell the old one. I've been fence sitting on this decision for a while. Being able to run a 700 x 38c tire and fenders is a good thing on a touring bike.
    This is a converted Raleigh Touring 18 in 650Bx40, with room for even fatter tires. Canti studs moved down by a few mm. Plenty of room for fenders, etc. Very comfy on the local gravel trails. If it needs a repaint anyway, I'd recommend moving studs to 650B or 26", adding any missing braze-ons and powdercoating. Mine turned out pretty good:


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    Quote Originally Posted by cycle_maven View Post
    This is a converted Raleigh Touring 18 in 650Bx40, with room for even fatter tires. Canti studs moved down by a few mm. Plenty of room for fenders, etc. Very comfy on the local gravel trails. If it needs a repaint anyway, I'd recommend moving studs to 650B or 26", adding any missing braze-ons and powdercoating. Mine turned out pretty good:

    I love the idea of a 650b conversion but this is not something I'm willing to do to my Trek 720. But it's a great idea.

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    Yeah- Trek 720 would be better left unmodified. Maybe find a lesser bike for a 650B conversion...

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    Just built this VO in China

    Not easy to buy from ebay, keep waiting... finally my VO, maybe the first one in China (although most of the parts were made in China or Taiwan)

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