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ksisler 10-24-12 08:06 AM

Building up a bike from parts can get pricey fast. Given that you are on a tight budget, would recommend hitting craigslist and look for bikes that have good components and wheels...finding one for $100-150 is not hard (many Treks, Giants, etc.). Then, if the craigbike frame is better that the nashbar frame, sell the nashbar. If not, move the parts over and clean up the craigbike frame for resell to recover some of your costs.

draig 10-24-12 08:09 AM

I look at CL daily and havn't found much actually, not things I'm wanting to get anyways. I'm also waiting for a bike swap near me to happen too. I'm always looking for less expensive ways to get my parts. thanks for the suggestion ksisler.

draig 10-24-12 09:36 AM

I don't know if this post will be good here, or elsewhere, but I just created a group for bike tourists and shot you all an invite (hope you all don't mind). Where could I post a dedicated thread to let others know about it? I'm thinking within the Touring forum section. Or would it be better in some other section?

MassiveD 10-26-12 02:52 AM

You may need an LBS to ream your head tube and the crown, to get them to fit your headset. So before you lay down cash for a headset, you might want to make that purchase conditional on their doing the frame prep. Some LBSs are not happy to see folks come through the door for frame prep for stuff they did not buy there, others are happy because they get paid. They will all charge for it normally, and it can be 50-100, so you might want to do it all at once so you can get a package

draig 10-26-12 06:27 AM

Actually, I already got the headset (from my LBS) and will be going over there today to arrange an appointment to have em' install the headset and such I just can't afford the tool needed to do so at this time.

fietsbob 10-26-12 09:10 AM

Quote:

I don't know if this post will be good here, or elsewhere, but I just created a group for bike tourists and shot you all an invite (hope you all don't mind). Where could I post a dedicated thread to let others know about it? I'm thinking within the Touring forum section. Or would it be better in some other section?
another thread of the same stuff,? in a alternate list area is kind of redundant ,
build questions on touring bikes same thing going on already in several headings

mechanics commuting and cross sections also have intertwining built questions, apparently.

But IDK , just a mechanic who took a few bike trips , before all this computer thing kicked in..

draig 10-26-12 09:12 AM

Ah, cool.

MassiveD 10-26-12 10:00 AM

That is how I felt. Though I was flattered to get an invite. I normally follow the "i would not want to join a club that would have me as a member" side of things. I have so many boards on the go that my tendons already rebel. If I can help let me know. I will prep the frame this weekend, so it will be interesting to see how well that works out.

My frame arrived today, which from Nashbar to Canada was pretty good service, having ordered it on Sunday.

draig 10-26-12 01:04 PM

Installation of the headset will have to wait till mid next month X( I'll still take a pic of what I got when my fork arrives. said installation will be $80 or less (at least that's what the mechanic quoted) I'll have to save up for that.

MassiveD 10-26-12 02:19 PM

I just talked to "Josh" at Nashbar. He says all frame prep is done. I have the tools, but to use them requires a lot of oil and clean-up, so I figured I would ask first. If that is the case you should be able to mount the parts yourself. I will do some work on that tonight, or the weekend.

I have had a cursory look at the geometry, I will get my tools out later and go over it more carefully, and do a thread on it. So far, for my 58 cm touring frame it is 59 effective top tube, and 54 seat tube height. Seat tube length is 58. My concern now is to sort out what the top tube angle is, and whether the head tube height will be short. Not a biggie, but just looking to see if they dropped the ball anywhere. Eyeballing I would say the BB drop is 60mm +. But it is guesswork without the headset, fork and wheels installed. Once I get that done, I will be better placed to tell the details. CSs are 458 mm.

sstorkel 10-26-12 07:24 PM

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Originally Posted by MassiveD (Post 14883559)
I just talked to "Josh" at Nashbar. He says all frame prep is done. I have the tools, but to use them requires a lot of oil and clean-up, so I figured I would ask first. If that is the case you should be able to mount the parts yourself. I will do some work on that tonight, or the weekend.

I would concur: I didn't have to do any special prep on my Nashbar aluminum touring frame.

draig: install of the headset shouldn't cost $80! The last time I had a headset installed, I let the local Performance Bikes shop do it. They pressed the headset cups into place, installed the crown race, cut the fork to length and installed a star nut. All for around $20-25. Dropped the bike off in the morning and had it back by the end of the day...

megalowmatt 10-26-12 09:23 PM

One of my beefs in relation to this frame is that Nashbar does list the effective top tube measurement in their geometry chart. My 52 is really ~54 ett....that works well for me but I think they should list the ett as well.

draig 10-26-12 10:58 PM

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Originally Posted by sstorkel (Post 14884407)
I would concur: I didn't have to do any special prep on my Nashbar aluminum touring frame.

draig: install of the headset shouldn't cost $80! The last time I had a headset installed, I let the local Performance Bikes shop do it. They pressed the headset cups into place, installed the crown race, cut the fork to length and installed a star nut. All for around $20-25. Dropped the bike off in the morning and had it back by the end of the day...

Unfortunately I don't have a Performance bike near where I am, no way to get to the nearest either (40+ miles away, with gas costing as it is. even if I could finagle a ride). Also, how long ago was your last headset press? Besides, $80 is the top cost. and still cheaper than getting a headset press on my own.

It'll prolly turn out to be way less than said $80, that's just the top cost the mechanic quoted

draig 10-26-12 11:02 PM

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Originally Posted by megalowmatt (Post 14884723)
One of my beefs in relation to this frame is that Nashbar does list the effective top tube measurement in their geometry chart. My 52 is really ~54 ett....that works well for me but I think they should list the ett as well.

Umh, why not contact them and make that suggestion?

sstorkel 10-27-12 10:19 AM

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Originally Posted by megalowmatt (Post 14884723)
One of my beefs in relation to this frame is that Nashbar does list the effective top tube measurement in their geometry chart. My 52 is really ~54 ett....that works well for me but I think they should list the ett as well.

The top tube on this bike is pretty close to horizontal, so there shouldn't be much difference between the ETT and actual top tube length. On my 54cm frame (purchased in '09), the difference is only 5-10mm. That's small enough that you can compensate for it by swapping stems.

sstorkel 10-27-12 11:17 AM

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Originally Posted by draig (Post 14884887)
Unfortunately I don't have a Performance bike near where I am, no way to get to the nearest either (40+ miles away, with gas costing as it is. even if I could finagle a ride). Also, how long ago was your last headset press? Besides, $80 is the top cost. and still cheaper than getting a headset press on my own.

It's been 3-4 years since I last had a headset installed, but I doubt prices have changed much.

Nashbar sells a very nice headset press for $60. Wait for a 20% off coupon, like I did, and it can be yours for < $50. They used to sell a star nut setter for $9, though I can't find it on their site now. You might have to look for another generic version (ex: the Sette ST-113A for $12 @ Price Point). Heck, you can probably round off the end of a wooden dowel with sandpaper and tap one in that way! You can install the crown race with $2-3 of PVC pipe and a mallet. The Nashbar fork cutting guide is okay and costs $12. If you've got a steady hand with a hacksaw, you almost don't need it. In any event, given that you can buy the tools for around $80 I certainly wouldn't pay a shop that much to do the job...

MassiveD 10-27-12 11:55 AM

Some folks have just used scrap, and a piece of allthread. I don't always even cut the steerer. On the road you can end up needing adjustments, room for attachments.

On my frame the head is way too low. It is basically a 54/59, without a sloping top tube. There are some serious problems with the frame, though the quality so far seems excellent, and most of the issues once recognized are not likely to be all that serious. Looks like it was designed by someone who was familiar with MTBs, and not touring bikes. It is perfect if you like low bars,which to an extent plays to flat bars. But if like a lot of tourists you like drops but an upright posture, it probably pays not to cut the steerer.

draig 10-27-12 03:17 PM

I'll have to take a look see how long the steerer is when I get the fork Monday. thanks for the ideas for installing the headset. I may need to pick up more spacers though.

draig 10-27-12 03:27 PM

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Originally Posted by MassiveD (Post 14885839)
Some folks have just used scrap, and a piece of allthread. I don't always even cut the steerer. On the road you can end up needing adjustments, room for attachments.

On my frame the head is way too low. It is basically a 54/59, without a sloping top tube. There are some serious problems with the frame, though the quality so far seems excellent, and most of the issues once recognized are not likely to be all that serious. Looks like it was designed by someone who was familiar with MTBs, and not touring bikes. It is perfect if you like low bars,which to an extent plays to flat bars. But if like a lot of tourists you like drops but an upright posture, it probably pays not to cut the steerer.

Actually, I don't really care for drops to be honest. I never go into the drops and the brake set up hurts my fingers after long rides. Hence why I'm wanting to try out butterfly bars with bar ends (in a weird place and orientation). something like this set up http://www.crazyguyonabike.com/doc/p...ize=large&v=WN minus the lower straight.

sstorkel, I'll prolly still goto one of the shops to get the headset press done. I still have one other shop I could call and see about, they maybe less than the further shop. speaking of, I have to call it.

draig 10-27-12 03:38 PM

ZOMG! their worse than the older shop! and it's just labor too. Oh well, sucks being on fixed income in the Wine country... But, I'd rather be here near family than anywhere else. I'll just have to live with it.

draig 10-29-12 07:26 PM

Couple bits of news, turns out my fork won't get here till tomorrow. I also found a good DIY way to install my headset. I'll be getting the things I'll need to do that Wednesday ^^.

draig 10-30-12 06:34 PM

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Got my fork today, here's the first pic I promised (not quite assembled, but will have that fork on tomorrow or Thursday

draig 11-15-12 11:28 PM

Is anyone still interested in my build? or shall I just let this dye. If people are still interested. I maybe getting my trekking bars tomorrow and will be putting them on (along with the bar ends in a wierd way)

MassiveD 11-16-12 12:46 AM

I'm still interested. It is a popular frame so you might as well complete what you started. All we are really missing is a picture of the finished bike and a ride report. Anything else along the way is fun, but those are key.

draig 11-16-12 01:11 AM

Well, I'll keep the fun then ;) As i orignally posted. I'm gonna slowly build it up. I counted out how long it's still gonna take and unless I sell off some stuff unrelated to cycling (yardsale/ craigslist stuff) this build won't be done till early February. I'll post another pic of my build after I get the handlebar and bar ends on.


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