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Old 11-02-12, 04:52 AM   #1
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Touring on a hack Colnago vs. 2010 Trek 520

I got excited about the 90s Colnago Superissimo I've been building and I started to say some not-so-nice things about my 2010 Trek 520 which sports TIG welding rather than lugs and a few other cheaply made features. Now that I'm so into hacking bikes I was thinking, can't I just hack the Colnago for touring? I could keep a less agressive fork, some fatter tires, and get the local framebuilder to put on some rack braze ons for the next time I tour. Or I could keep the 520. The Colnago has all 80s Campangnolo parts except for the Modolo Professional brakes.

I'm going on a short trip to Siberia and need the money, so I put an ad out for the 520 and now some nice person is willing to buy it from me. And I got all sentimental about the last tour I took the 520 on.

What do you guys think?

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Old 11-02-12, 05:27 AM   #2
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rabidfox, Welcome to the forum.

Let's see...you're selling the touring frame and willing to modify/devalue a C&V frame to compensate for an upcoming tour? I think you're selling the wrong bike. Lugs aren't hardly used any more in mass production frame construction because alloys and joining techniques have advanced making lugs unnecessary. Lugs may make the C&V admirer's heart flutter with joy, but it is not an indication of cheapness.

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Old 11-02-12, 05:33 AM   #3
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I'd guess the colnago geometry isn't ideal for touring. You going to have enough room for panniers without heelstrike? Is adding braze ons going to severely devalue the colnago if you ever decide to sell it? Do you like the 80's components better than the modern ones for long term riding?
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Old 11-02-12, 05:47 AM   #4
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Given the choice I'd tour on a touring bike.
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Old 11-02-12, 06:19 AM   #5
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No need to hack the Colnago to tour on it. It would be nice to see some shots of that bike too......do you have any?
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Old 11-02-12, 06:32 AM   #6
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I have over 20,000 heavily loaded touring miles on a 520 with those cheap TIG welds and never had one break.
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TIG welding is almost universal by now..
i see that you are OK with not using just pen onto paper, to write about this..

need Cash? Sell the race bike and tour on the tour bike.


Short trip and Siberia, seem a contradiction .. given the size of the Russian Far East.
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Old 11-02-12, 11:47 AM   #8
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Thanks for your kind replies. It seems unanimous that it would be a crime to put braze-ons on the Colnago! Also, I too am wary about putting much weight on the Colnago regardless of the method. I'm still a neophyte to bicycles so I regard your opinions and logic highly.

I don't have any future tours in mind, but I so loved the last one that I imagine I'll go on another in the (somewhat distant) future. I never had any problems with anything but the chain on the 520, so it's not that I don't regard the model highly. I'm just dreaming about what could make a better ride several years from now when I'll get the opportunity to tour again.

I guess my main conflict is that I feel like I could do better, and since my next tour won't be for a long time because of a lack of free time, I want to see about getting my hands greasy to do this. What's a better alternative?

@fietsbob Re: Siberia, I mean a three week visit for making future research groundwork, and unfortunately I can't stay longer at this time of year...

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Lugs aren't hardly used any more in mass production frame construction because alloys and joining techniques have advanced making lugs unnecessary.
You're probably right. I just love lugs because of the aesthetic appeal and in my head their design makes more sense. Just because they make more sense in my head, however, doesn't mean they perform better anymore.

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Sure! It's still a work in progress, though.
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Sure! It's still a work in progress, though.
Keep the Colnago for lightweight touring. It looks perfect for a handle bag bag and saddle bag credit card tour. If you put some thought into your gear you could easily do a "fully loaded"
tour on it too. Those wheels look strong, although your chain rings look a bit big. If I had to choose between the Colnago and the Trek it would definitely be the Colnago.
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Aww, thanks! The chain ring is huge (53 Campagnolo) but it was originally meant for speed! I don't think I'd use that front chain ring on a mountain range, esp. w/o a granny gear... The wheels are hopefully strong as they too are Campy, with many spokes.

Forgive my ignorance, but how do you do "fully-loaded" properly without braze-ons? I have just never used anything else for racks before.

I decided that if I do sell the 520 I will build a better full-on camping-style touring-specific rig. Any suggestions?

Does anyone tour on such aggressive forks as those on the Colnago above?
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What don't you like about the 520 (apart from visuals), and how much weight do you plan to haul in terms of having a full on camping style bike?
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. I'm just dreaming about what could make a better ride several years from now when I'll get the opportunity to tour again.

I guess my main conflict is that I feel like I could do better, and since my next tour won't be for a long time because of a lack of free time, I want to see about getting my hands greasy to do this. What's a better alternative?
Define "better"

When I weighed 145 lbs I toured on Italian road bikes with a max load of 15lbs on 28mm tires. Your 520 pictures with big platform pedals don't look like high speed or ultralight touring. Until you can define "better" I'd say you'd be making a big mistake.
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Why not look into different mounting methods a rack? I could see utilizing P-clips and/or a rear wheel quick release tie-in to attach the rack as needed. With a rear rack, panniers, and a handlebar bag you would be set up for some touring. Here's a site that carries some of the different styles of mounting hardware.

http://www.peterwhitecycles.com/tubus_racks.asp
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Forgive my ignorance, but how do you do "fully-loaded" properly without braze-ons? I have just never used anything else for racks before.

I decided that if I do sell the 520 I will build a better full-on camping-style touring-specific rig. Any suggestions?

Does anyone tour on such aggressive forks as those on the Colnago above?
Braze-ons don't turn a racing bike into a touring bike able to carry heavy loads it only enables you to OVERload a racing bike. Touring bikes have heavier and larger diameter tubes to enable the bike to carry the weight without excessive flexing.

You still haven't said what "better" is with regards to the 520.
What you are doing sounds like someone who plans to go car camping on dirt roads and they've been using a pickup all along but they're thinking of selling the pickup and getting a two seater sports car for carrying heavy loads on rutted roads.
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See nun's posts
http://www.bikeforums.net/showthread...ght-Evangelism

fit a big saddle bag, and handlebar bag , and that's It.
anything else is bringing a pocket full of Rubles ..

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Money considerations aside, everyone needs more than one working bike. You can't sell either one. It would just be wrong. Incredibly bad karma, and all that.

Hey, you asked on bikeforums....
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Money considerations aside, everyone needs more than one working bike. You can't sell either one. It would just be wrong. Incredibly bad karma, and all that.

Hey, you asked on bikeforums....
Agreed.

It's not the N-1 formula...it's always N+1 or 2 or 3.
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Old 11-04-12, 08:15 AM   #19
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Agreed. It's not the N-1 formula...it's always N+1 or 2 or 3.
Damn, my pocketbook wishes you were wrong, but I keep accumulating more and more bikes. They're like shoes, you need such-and-such for this occasion and this for this occasion...

And please don't get me wrong, I have no lack of love for even the newest of the 520s. I think you all are on the same page as me -- we like fiddling with bikes and we want to see how far we can push bike performance, even if it means changing models.

I don't think I'm experienced enough to say what better is, but what I want is a lighter frame still capable of full touring loads. I've never toured ultralight and if I were going to go ultralight I'd take a bar and saddle bag approach with the Colnago. However, I'm also interested in having something capable of several-week-at-a-time wilderness camping (just for fun).

By full touring load, I mean the ability to take a 2-person tent for bad weather in stealth camping, a camp stove, food, water, and the usual suspects should I desire to go so very non-ultralight.

Miscellaneous questions:
I like very much that the 2010 model of the 520 is easy to take apart, and generally you need little more than a simple multitool, but is there anything that's even better for airplane transport?

Why did Trek choose canti brakes for the 2010? Why don't they put on mid-fork mounts for low-rider front racks anymore, leading me to take my forks to a frame builder? Why did they angle the top tube down, and does that not weaken structural integrity?
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Tubus Midfork Machined Clamps work Perfectly, when the braze on is not there.

yes a pedal that fits the 6mm allen on the back side, is good..

but there are light weight tools for the Fixie Niche,
and the 15mm open end for the hub nut is also the 15mm for most pedals.


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Why did Trek choose canti brakes for the 2010?
those are decisions taken by product managers and Designers
at Trek.. 2nd guessing on this list is Meaningless.

Want something else ? V brakes and Magura's hydraulic rim brakes
fit on the same frame fitting..

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I don't think I'm experienced enough to say what better is, but what I want is a lighter frame still capable of full touring loads. I've never toured ultralight and if I were going to go ultralight I'd take a bar and saddle bag approach with the Colnago. However, I'm also interested in having something capable of several-week-at-a-time wilderness camping (just for fun).

By full touring load, I mean the ability to take a 2-person tent for bad weather in stealth camping, a camp stove, food, water, and the usual suspects should I desire to go so very non-ultralight.
Quite a conundrum. You want a lighter road frame that isn't designed for carrying pannier size loads, fenders or fatter tires so you can carry pannier size loads and do it on small diameter tires, in the wilderness.

$.02 confine the Colnago to road riding and ultralight touring w/o panniers or 10lbs of tent and cooking kit.

The difference between a road frame and a touring frame might be 1 1/2 lbs which will be erased with any gear added to the bike.

Go ahead and build up the Colnago but experiment more with the 520. Assuming the Colnago wheels are lighter try them on the 520.
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BOB trailer on the Colnago ?
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Thanks for your input, guys! I think I'm going to wait until an older model of the 520 comes on the market in my size, since I'm stuck in the past.
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Rabid, a friend of mine had a late 80's 520, nice bike, nothing special about lugs. Custom builders I knew were partial to brazed frames with filed down fillets. I had a very fancy lugged custom touring frame that had a pretty bad shimmy. All of my high speed light weight touring was done with some kind of Italian or English road bike. Basically how the tubes are joined doesn't matter, it's whether the bike works for the intended purpose.
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