Originally Posted by manapua_man
Why would he need one for anything local? I use my folder for *everything*, including weekend rides into the mountains.
I should have said for "daily use and errand running." Maybe that's a better way to put it? If you want to use your bike for going to the supermarket, post office, school, work or meeting up with friends for dinner you'll eventually get tired of worrying about the expensive touring bike you paid a premium for or had imported. Nobody cares if your bike cost $2000 or $100 here. It's just another bicycle and after the $100 clunker gets blown into it a few times or it gets tossed onto the impound truck because you left it in the wrong place too long you'll eventually want a cheap beater for everyday use. If you live in an apartment you'll get really tired of hauling that bike in and out of the elevator if you have to do that daily.
So, that's what I meant. Of course, any bike will work for local rides but having a dedicated grocery getter that's parked outside is very handy for daily use. If you're only going to use the bike for touring it doesn't matter but most of the people I know have a mama chari for everyday use. The light, basket, chain guard, fenders, kick stand and bell are all needed things to have on the grocery getter and except for the light I don't want any of that stuff on my touring bike. And you can tour on the mama bike, lots of people do it.
I asked the OP if he has a bike now because if he plans on using the touring bike for everyday use he might be disappointed. Got way off topic, sorry.