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We use the Jack Wolfskin Tundra III. You've probably made up your mind on a lightweight free standing dome tent but you just might want to consider a tunnel tent.
The big plusses are a lot of room in the vestibule for all your gear, its a three person tent so we have plenty of room in case we need to wait out a storm, extremely stable in foul weather, can be pitched outer tent first (great if you're pitching the tent in heavy rain) same in reverse (the inner tent is tucked away dry in the panniers before we get out into the rain), it has a side entrance right into the sleeping area which is great for warm weather were we open both entrances which creates a draft (both have mosquito nets). The big minus is the weight, just over 10lbs
We've only used the Tundra III for a couple of years now without any problems. Our older tent was the Worlds End RT, its bigger brother.
More pictures and info. on our site.
The big plusses are a lot of room in the vestibule for all your gear, its a three person tent so we have plenty of room in case we need to wait out a storm, extremely stable in foul weather, can be pitched outer tent first (great if you're pitching the tent in heavy rain) same in reverse (the inner tent is tucked away dry in the panniers before we get out into the rain), it has a side entrance right into the sleeping area which is great for warm weather were we open both entrances which creates a draft (both have mosquito nets). The big minus is the weight, just over 10lbs
We've only used the Tundra III for a couple of years now without any problems. Our older tent was the Worlds End RT, its bigger brother.
More pictures and info. on our site.
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We use the Jack Wolfskin Tundra III. You've probably made up your mind on a lightweight free standing dome tent but you just might want to consider a tunnel tent.
The big plusses are a lot of room in the vestibule for all your gear, its a three person tent so we have plenty of room in case we need to wait out a storm, extremely stable in foul weather, can be pitched outer tent first (great if you're pitching the tent in heavy rain) same in reverse (the inner tent is tucked away dry in the panniers before we get out into the rain), it has a side entrance right into the sleeping area which is great for warm weather were we open both entrances which creates a draft (both have mosquito nets). The big minus is the weight, just over 10lbs
We've only used the Tundra III for a couple of years now without any problems. Our older tent was the Worlds End RT, its bigger brother.
More pictures and info. on our site.
The big plusses are a lot of room in the vestibule for all your gear, its a three person tent so we have plenty of room in case we need to wait out a storm, extremely stable in foul weather, can be pitched outer tent first (great if you're pitching the tent in heavy rain) same in reverse (the inner tent is tucked away dry in the panniers before we get out into the rain), it has a side entrance right into the sleeping area which is great for warm weather were we open both entrances which creates a draft (both have mosquito nets). The big minus is the weight, just over 10lbs
We've only used the Tundra III for a couple of years now without any problems. Our older tent was the Worlds End RT, its bigger brother.
More pictures and info. on our site.
Any thoughts?
This tent is roomy. Perhaps too much for now but I am not closed to the idear. I know I want to stealth camp or at least have that as an option. This looks like it might be a little big for that purpose but I am totally open to hearing opinions and such.
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We have a Northface Tadpole, and absolutely love it. We used it for two tours in IRELAND, some of it in sideways rain, and it was fabulous. Even in 40-50mph winds it was stable and from inside the tent the rain never even woke us up. My only critique of this tent would be the fact that you enter it from the end rather than the side, which (a) makes it more difficult (IMHO) to get two people bedded down comfortably and (b) makes the vestibule smaller so that we had to leave some of our waterproof panniers sticking out in the rain. Both panniers (Orbliebs) and tent were brilliant. Wish I could say the same for the Irish weather.
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+1 for Hennessey Hammock if you are going solo. For 2 people, I have a USMC Combat Tent. Weight can be split up easily (one person carries tent, other carries rain fly and poles). The 'bathtub' floor design coupled with seam sealer will keep you dry, and the blackout rainfly will keep enemy snipers... oh wait, never mind. It's a good tent with plenty of room for 2+ gear and a nice vestibule for cooking. Made in USA by Eureka or Diamondback so that's a plus. The military grade Easton aluminum tent stakes and poles are both ridiculously light and super strong. There are newer 'single' versions of this tent from Catoma and others.
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+1 for Hennessey Hammock if you are going solo. For 2 people, I have a USMC Combat Tent. Weight can be split up easily (one person carries tent, other carries rain fly and poles). The 'bathtub' floor design coupled with seam sealer will keep you dry, and the blackout rainfly will keep enemy snipers... oh wait, never mind. It's a good tent with plenty of room for 2+ gear and a nice vestibule for cooking. Made in USA by Eureka or Diamondback so that's a plus. The military grade Easton aluminum tent stakes and poles are both ridiculously light and super strong. There are newer 'single' versions of this tent from Catoma and others.
Thought hammocks are out for me.
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I'm one of the few people who thinks that non-freestanding tents are a good idea. I still maintain that there are very few real freestanding tents, and that even the oft touted 'freestanding' tents like the REI (Fraction) Domes, and the Big Agnes lines are not really freestanding.
I have a Quarter Dome myself, and it's a great tent, but it takes at least four pegs to actually erect it, and is a lot more stable with six or eight. If I was in a real storm, I'd want close to ten.
A Big Agnes Fly Creek also takes at least four pegs to pitch, and would probably benefit from a few more.
In my mind, if I need four pegs to erect my tent and fly with a reasonable pitch, it isn't freestanding.
I have a Quarter Dome myself, and it's a great tent, but it takes at least four pegs to actually erect it, and is a lot more stable with six or eight. If I was in a real storm, I'd want close to ten.
A Big Agnes Fly Creek also takes at least four pegs to pitch, and would probably benefit from a few more.
In my mind, if I need four pegs to erect my tent and fly with a reasonable pitch, it isn't freestanding.
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That my friend, is a very nice tunnel tent. I have no real clue about the advantages and disadvantages of tunnel tent versus dome tent.
Any thoughts?
This tent is roomy. Perhaps too much for now but I am not closed to the idear. I know I want to stealth camp or at least have that as an option. This looks like it might be a little big for that purpose but I am totally open to hearing opinions and such.
Any thoughts?
This tent is roomy. Perhaps too much for now but I am not closed to the idear. I know I want to stealth camp or at least have that as an option. This looks like it might be a little big for that purpose but I am totally open to hearing opinions and such.
The Tundra III is the longer of the three 15cm and 20cm, +/-2lbs heavyer, nearly €600 cheaper and has the side entrance (which really comes in handy in warm weather).
But I think the biggest adventages for using a tunnel tent (for us) is the amount of space (very comfortable while waiting out a storm) and the possibility to keep the inner tent and the rest of our gear nice and dry (while setting it up or putting it away) in bad weather.
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The Tundra III is on the large side but many (world) travelers use the Hilleberg Nammatj GT and the Helsport Fjellheimen X-Trem Camp :
The Tundra III is the longer of the three 15cm and 20cm, +/-2lbs heavyer, nearly €600 cheaper and has the side entrance (which really comes in handy in warm weather).
But I think the biggest adventages for using a tunnel tent (for us) is the amount of space (very comfortable while waiting out a storm) and the possibility to keep the inner tent and the rest of our gear nice and dry (while setting it up or putting it away) in bad weather.
The Tundra III is the longer of the three 15cm and 20cm, +/-2lbs heavyer, nearly €600 cheaper and has the side entrance (which really comes in handy in warm weather).
But I think the biggest adventages for using a tunnel tent (for us) is the amount of space (very comfortable while waiting out a storm) and the possibility to keep the inner tent and the rest of our gear nice and dry (while setting it up or putting it away) in bad weather.
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If you'll be using it in hot weather, you might want to consider something with lots of mesh. Some tents are much, much better than others in this area.
Also, some types of mesh are much better than others in allowing air to move more freely.
There are small-AA-flashlight-sized fans that can also help.
Tents can be very stifling in the heat.
There are many viable choices out there.
A lot depends on values or priorities. Some people place a high value on light weight and compactness. Others are more concerned with cost. Or comfort. Or extra room. Or long-stay comfort. Or durability. Or stormworthiness. Or manufacturer/dealer support. Or aesthetics. Or ease of setup. Or versatility. Or personal connection/appeal.
I really value exceptionally good ventilation, along with aesthetic appeal.
Some people use their shelter just for sleeping. Others use it more like a home away from home, spend much more time in it, and need a different sort of space.
Some like roominess, and feel too confined or even claustrophobic in a space that another might experience as cozy.
That North Face Bulfrog type of configuration is one I really like. But there are others that are comparable.
The Ray Jardine tarp-plus-mini-bug-shelter idea seems good. But mesh is fairly light if you want more room.
You might have a look at his site, and his designs, ideas and prices.
Also, some types of mesh are much better than others in allowing air to move more freely.
There are small-AA-flashlight-sized fans that can also help.
Tents can be very stifling in the heat.
There are many viable choices out there.
A lot depends on values or priorities. Some people place a high value on light weight and compactness. Others are more concerned with cost. Or comfort. Or extra room. Or long-stay comfort. Or durability. Or stormworthiness. Or manufacturer/dealer support. Or aesthetics. Or ease of setup. Or versatility. Or personal connection/appeal.
I really value exceptionally good ventilation, along with aesthetic appeal.
Some people use their shelter just for sleeping. Others use it more like a home away from home, spend much more time in it, and need a different sort of space.
Some like roominess, and feel too confined or even claustrophobic in a space that another might experience as cozy.
That North Face Bulfrog type of configuration is one I really like. But there are others that are comparable.
The Ray Jardine tarp-plus-mini-bug-shelter idea seems good. But mesh is fairly light if you want more room.
You might have a look at his site, and his designs, ideas and prices.
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If you'll be using it in hot weather, you might want to consider something with lots of mesh. Some tents are much, much better than others in this area.
Also, some types of mesh are much better than others in allowing air to move more freely.
There are small-AA-flashlight-sized fans that can also help.
Tents can be very stifling in the heat.
There are many viable choices out there.
A lot depends on values or priorities. Some people place a high value on light weight and compactness. Others are more concerned with cost. Or comfort. Or extra room. Or long-stay comfort. Or durability. Or stormworthiness. Or manufacturer/dealer support. Or aesthetics. Or ease of setup. Or versatility. Or personal connection/appeal.
I really value exceptionally good ventilation, along with aesthetic appeal.
Some people use their shelter just for sleeping. Others use it more like a home away from home, spend much more time in it, and need a different sort of space.
Some like roominess, and feel too confined or even claustrophobic in a space that another might experience as cozy.
That North Face Bulfrog type of configuration is one I really like. But there are others that are comparable.
The Ray Jardine tarp-plus-mini-bug-shelter idea seems good. But mesh is fairly light if you want more room.
You might have a look at his site, and his designs, ideas and prices.
Also, some types of mesh are much better than others in allowing air to move more freely.
There are small-AA-flashlight-sized fans that can also help.
Tents can be very stifling in the heat.
There are many viable choices out there.
A lot depends on values or priorities. Some people place a high value on light weight and compactness. Others are more concerned with cost. Or comfort. Or extra room. Or long-stay comfort. Or durability. Or stormworthiness. Or manufacturer/dealer support. Or aesthetics. Or ease of setup. Or versatility. Or personal connection/appeal.
I really value exceptionally good ventilation, along with aesthetic appeal.
Some people use their shelter just for sleeping. Others use it more like a home away from home, spend much more time in it, and need a different sort of space.
Some like roominess, and feel too confined or even claustrophobic in a space that another might experience as cozy.
That North Face Bulfrog type of configuration is one I really like. But there are others that are comparable.
The Ray Jardine tarp-plus-mini-bug-shelter idea seems good. But mesh is fairly light if you want more room.
You might have a look at his site, and his designs, ideas and prices.
Currently looking at these two tents: https://www.bikeforums.net/showthread...t-to-Two-Tents
I like the REI tent because of the mesh screening. So many options. Yikes!
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The very geometry of geodesic dome pup tents (aka "free standing") is such that they don't accommodate tall people until you are looking at a 4 to 5 person dome. The stated floor dimensions can be very deceiving. At best they give you the length of the projected floor, but often they are the fly measurements or even to the peg loops. What they never give is the plane extending from the top of your head to the tip of your toes when lying on your back, which can be a foot shorter than the floor. This results in the "tent-on-your-face syndrome." One of the main benefits I see in dome tents is a lot of them can be set up on the showroom floor. I suggest you crawl into any tent you are interested in and lay on you back on top of an inflated air mattress. Remember when the tent gets wet the nylon will sag a bit.
I realize I am very much in the minority, perhaps 1 out of 100, but when I tour solo I use a one person A frame pup tent >2lb. With my wife, we use a three person teepee tent with a single pole. I am sure there must be some place where I couldn't set up a non-freestanding tent, but after decades of camping I have yet to come across it.
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Great info! Thank you!
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The very geometry of geodesic dome pup tents (aka "free standing") is such that they don't accommodate tall people until you are looking at a 4 to 5 person dome. The stated floor dimensions can be very deceiving. At best they give you the length of the projected floor, but often they are the fly measurements or even to the peg loops. What they never give is the plane extending from the top of your head to the tip of your toes when lying on your back, which can be a foot shorter than the floor. This results in the "tent-on-your-face syndrome." One of the main benefits I see in dome tents is a lot of them can be set up on the showroom floor. I suggest you crawl into any tent you are interested in and lay on you back on top of an inflated air mattress. Remember when the tent gets wet the nylon will sag a bit.
I realize I am very much in the minority, perhaps 1 out of 100, but when I tour solo I use a one person A frame pup tent >2lb. With my wife, we use a three person teepee tent with a single pole. I am sure there must be some place where I couldn't set up a non-freestanding tent, but after decades of camping I have yet to come across it.
GOOD LUCK
The very geometry of geodesic dome pup tents (aka "free standing") is such that they don't accommodate tall people until you are looking at a 4 to 5 person dome. The stated floor dimensions can be very deceiving. At best they give you the length of the projected floor, but often they are the fly measurements or even to the peg loops. What they never give is the plane extending from the top of your head to the tip of your toes when lying on your back, which can be a foot shorter than the floor. This results in the "tent-on-your-face syndrome." One of the main benefits I see in dome tents is a lot of them can be set up on the showroom floor. I suggest you crawl into any tent you are interested in and lay on you back on top of an inflated air mattress. Remember when the tent gets wet the nylon will sag a bit.
I realize I am very much in the minority, perhaps 1 out of 100, but when I tour solo I use a one person A frame pup tent >2lb. With my wife, we use a three person teepee tent with a single pole. I am sure there must be some place where I couldn't set up a non-freestanding tent, but after decades of camping I have yet to come across it.
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Western Flyer do you by any chance have a photo of your T-Pee tent pluc cost weight.
thanks i like the idea of a teepee tent myself but are they hard to pitch and heavy just asking.
thanks i like the idea of a teepee tent myself but are they hard to pitch and heavy just asking.
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Here is a url photo of my tent from my Klamath River trip a few years ago. Very few people notice there is no center pole in the photo. I added a short extension and put the pole on the outside of the tent. Much more romantic, especially on a freezing night on the side of Mt Mazama (Crater Lake). The tent is an older version of the GoLite Shangri-La 3. The only modification I made besides the external pole is replacing the plastic snap which attaches the peak of the inner tent to the fly. I used a little aluminum key chain carabiner.
I love the tent. It is very easy to put up. It is listed as a three person tent and I have had my wife, my grandson, the dog and myself all in it at once. It was tight! For two people it is luxurious and for one - palatial. While it doesn't have standing headroom, the peak is high enough to put my pants on with just bending my head and shoulders a bit.
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Sorry but I get a little testy when someone implies the kinds of things that MassiveD implied. If single pole and tarp tents were so superior why do you find dozens of freestanding framed tents when you walk into REI and very few single pole/tarp tents? Are those of us who use freestanding tents just unenlightened?
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I'm one of the few people who thinks that non-freestanding tents are a good idea. I still maintain that there are very few real freestanding tents, and that even the oft touted 'freestanding' tents like the REI (Fraction) Domes, and the Big Agnes lines are not really freestanding.
I have a Quarter Dome myself, and it's a great tent, but it takes at least four pegs to actually erect it, and is a lot more stable with six or eight. If I was in a real storm, I'd want close to ten.
A Big Agnes Fly Creek also takes at least four pegs to pitch, and would probably benefit from a few more.
In my mind, if I need four pegs to erect my tent and fly with a reasonable pitch, it isn't freestanding.
I have a Quarter Dome myself, and it's a great tent, but it takes at least four pegs to actually erect it, and is a lot more stable with six or eight. If I was in a real storm, I'd want close to ten.
A Big Agnes Fly Creek also takes at least four pegs to pitch, and would probably benefit from a few more.
In my mind, if I need four pegs to erect my tent and fly with a reasonable pitch, it isn't freestanding.
Now I always stake my tent out because stuff happens. But that doesn't mean that the tent isn't 'free standing'. It just means that I'm being realistic.
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I'll throw in a recommendation for Tarptents. Single walled tents that are good in spring, summer, fall (and light winter conditions). I use one of these for the occasional bike tour (haven't bike toured in 2 years) and more extensively for backpacking. I've got an older Cloudburst (no longer in Tarptent's lineup) and its similar to the current Squall or Rainbow tents. These are tunnel tents and should be long enough for two persons and some gear. And since they are single walled tents, they're incredibly light.
https://www.tarptent.com/#
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You can put the inner tent up without any stakes, but it's a flimsy pitch, and you need a minimum of two stakes to pitch the fly.
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Not a three person tent, but a two person tent like this Jack Wolfskin Sanctuary II (granite color)
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I use my tents in some pretty challenging conditions, and definitely prefer free standing models.
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I've used a non-freestanding tent exactly once and ended up rebuilding the damned thing in the middle of the night when it collapsed.
On the other hand I've used freestanding tents for hundreds of nights without any issues in all kinds of weather from wind storms to thunderstorms to 4" of snow in all manner of locations.
They can be used in as many places as tarp tents
and offer some niceties that are often missing in tarps tents like double walls to reduce condensation
And each freestanding tent I've owned has come with anchors...they are called tent pegs.
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The REI Half Dome is a bog-standard dome tent, just about the definition of freestanding, but without at least two pegs, the vestibules covering the doors will flop around and provide no protection from the wind or rain. It isn't really pitched until those two corners are staked down. I've found that my Quarter Dome also needs the mid panel tie outs at the head and foot staked out for internal space.
You can put the inner tent up without any stakes, but it's a flimsy pitch, and you need a minimum of two stakes to pitch the fly.
You can put the inner tent up without any stakes, but it's a flimsy pitch, and you need a minimum of two stakes to pitch the fly.
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Picking the Scablands. Washington and Oregon, 2005. Pie and spiders on the Columbia River!
Stuart Black
Plan Epsilon Around Lake Michigan in the era of Covid
Old School…When It Wasn’t Ancient bikepacking
Gold Fever Three days of dirt in Colorado
Pokin' around the Poconos A cold ride around Lake Erie
Dinosaurs in Colorado A mountain bike guide to the Purgatory Canyon dinosaur trackway
Solo Without Pie. The search for pie in the Midwest.
Picking the Scablands. Washington and Oregon, 2005. Pie and spiders on the Columbia River!
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In general, tunnel or hoop tents have a better floor space to weight ratio. This is more obvious in small tents and the reason why I prefer a 2-person hoop tent for solo trips over a coffin size FS tent. FS tent usually have steeper walls which makes their space more usable for people.
Tunnel tents are more aerodynamic and do better in windy conditions. They also bend more in a crosswind. A dome tent won't bend as much but there are more chance of breaking poles or having the tent blown away if you're not in it. My little Clip Flashlight sheds the wind better than a 4 season Marmot dome tent I had. BTW, the first time I heard of a Sierra Design Flashlight was in the mid 80s, when a guy climbed Denali solo with one (there were no "clips" then and only the door had mesh, which he sew fabric over it).
Hoop tents tend to be much cheaper, especially in the smaller tents. Another reason why I prefer a hoop tent for solo use. But there are also high-end tunnel tents like Stephenson's Warmlite which cost mucho dollars. They often have the tent inner wall sewn to the outer walls and are very quick to set-up.