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    Touring Newbie setup with road bike

    Hello all,

    I wish to use my Ti road bike to tour with - planning to land in Singapore with it, catch the ferry to Malaysia and ride up the east coast towards Thailand and then back to Singapore (2 weeks without any definite plans - can stay in towns longer if need be and not go as far North).

    I will be credit card touring - moving from town to town with decent hotels, so figure that I can get away with two rear panniers and a bento box.

    Looking to use Tubus Cosmos rack with Tubus QR and seat stay mounts:

    http://www.wiggle.co.uk/tubus-cosmo-rear-rack/

    Any opinion on this setup?

    Other changes to the bike are to change to SPD's and possibly move to 25mm tyres.

    Currently have no problem with 200km+ rides and am not planning on riding much over 100km town to town.

    For bags was looking at this:

    http://www.wiggle.co.uk/carradice-ca...panniers-pair/

    but have heard that Ortlieb is the benchmark standard for panniers - should I be looking there?

    Budget is not too much of an issue - just want to ensure that I have got the right kit to be able to travel alone through Malaysia...

    Thanks

    Tim

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    you shouldn't have any problems. the roads are all smooth and well-maintained.
    hotels/guesthouses readily available (see CGOAB).....although your idea of 'decent'
    may differ from mine. good riding on the east coast, don't skip the highlands in
    the center. west coast is more a maze of freeways with heavier traffic.

    cycling to/from changi airport ist verboten. taxi or subway to your hotel where you
    can store your box. easy 27km ride along the coast from downtown to the ferry terminal.
    ferries run more often on weekends. if traveling on a weekday, you may have to
    wait an hour or three for more passengers to show up. once across, only 18km to your
    first town (sungai rengit) with 3-4 hotel options.

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    All sorts of bikes go down the coast here, including road bikes,
    Fit the racks, and gearing to get you over the hill
    and bring funds to fix stuff that breaks ,and go..

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    Awesome! Thanks guys, feeling happier about it ;-)

    I had the same sort of idea that it shouldn't be that bad for heading over alone but people I speak to think I'm nuts. Maybe I am, but sounds like I'm in good company!

    Is there anything special I need to know about mounting panniers etc?

    Feeling more pumped for it now!

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    Tim, Most importantly is that your heels don't bump the panniers when pedaling...the bigger the pannier, the more possibility there'll be interference. Mounting a rear carrier will depend on what is available on your frame to attach them. There are work-arounds for most, if not all situations.

    Brad

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    Tim: Curious to see your current rig. Can you post a pic of it? If you can fit fatter tires than 25mm in your frame, you should for additional comfort in roads found in Thailand and Malaysia.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chris Pringle View Post
    Tim: Curious to see your current rig. Can you post a pic of it? If you can fit fatter tires than 25mm in your frame, you should for additional comfort in roads found in Thailand and Malaysia.
    This is my current bike:

    http://www.bikesdirect.com/products/..._teamti_10.htm

    with a few differences.

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    Hmm - looking at panniers - there are some Ortlieb ones for front or rear - thinking about getting these smaller ones (25L) to ensure I don't overpack?

    Or should I be looking at 45-50L for a two week trip (credit card touring).

    Thanks!

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    As Bradtx stated, you might want to consider smaller panniers. Your bike only has 405mm chainstays (compare to >440mm most touring bikes have), so heel strike is very likely with the larger panniers available out there. If you can install a handlebar bag, you'll have a little more balanced weight, plus it will be handy for your maps, camera, wallet and snacks.

    Nice rig, btw!

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    Quote Originally Posted by tallmantim View Post
    Hmm - looking at panniers - there are some Ortlieb ones for front or rear - thinking about getting these smaller ones (25L) to ensure I don't overpack?

    Or should I be looking at 45-50L for a two week trip (credit card touring).

    Thanks!
    If you are credit carding you can do it with a handlebar bag and a small Carradice or bikepacking saddlebag. Maybe 8L on the front and 9L on the back, no need for a rack either.

    These are small saddlebags

    http://www.wiggle.co.uk/carradice-barley-saddle-bag/

    http://www.wiggle.co.uk/carradice-pendle-saddle-bag/

    and here's a couple of handlebar bags

    http://www.wiggle.co.uk/carradice-su...ckfix-bar-bag/

    http://www.wiggle.co.uk/ortlieb-ulti...handlebar-bag/
    Last edited by nun; 12-15-12 at 09:25 PM.

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    $.02 is to do this without panniers configuring load carrying from bars to frame to top of rack spreading weight out evenly so as to retain as much you can the road bikes handling. Putting 20lbs behind the rear axle of a road bike takes away from its fun handling. But if you put a few lbs under the bars, a few along the frame and a few between seat and rack you'll still have a fun handling bike.

    If your frame is big enough, 56cm+, you can carry a fair amount with this style of bag


    https://www.revelatedesigns.com/inde...=1&ProductID=5

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    If you can get tent and sleeping bag in small panniers, great.
    the load on top of the rear rack can get you into over the weight goal..

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    Quote Originally Posted by nun View Post
    If you are credit carding you can do it with a handlebar bag and a small Carradice or bikepacking saddlebag. Maybe 8L on the front and 9L on the back, no need for a rack either.

    These are small saddlebags

    http://www.wiggle.co.uk/carradice-barley-saddle-bag/

    http://www.wiggle.co.uk/carradice-pendle-saddle-bag/

    and here's a couple of handlebar bags

    http://www.wiggle.co.uk/carradice-su...ckfix-bar-bag/

    http://www.wiggle.co.uk/ortlieb-ulti...handlebar-bag/
    Thanks for the advice guys

    I ended up going with the panniers as I think I could use them for commuting in the future.

    I got some aluminium and created the brackets and mounts to put the rack on the bike. Feels extremely sturdy. Will do an bunch of rides with the panniers loaded and see how it goes!

    Have decided I will not go by ferry to Malaysia - can't get definitive info on them running etc and would have to wait etc, so will leave Singapore at like 5am and ride to Mersing (about 150km) as a first stop.

    Here's how my bike looks now!

    Looking forward to it!DSC_0008.jpg

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    I would hazard a guess that you are in contention for the largest seat to bars drop award on the touring forum! That said, if you are comfortable on it, that is all that's important.
    I second going with 25s, if 28s.can fit even better (but prob unlikely)

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    Quote Originally Posted by djb View Post
    I would hazard a guess that you are in contention for the largest seat to bars drop award on the touring forum! That said, if you are comfortable on it, that is all that's important.
    I second going with 25s, if 28s.can fit even better (but prob unlikely)
    LOL - yes, do a lot of ks with that setup, so should be comfortable. Might get a handlebar bag as well.

    What advantage do the 25's give? I was planning on putting on some rubino pro tyres I have that are pretty solid (crap cornering at speed in the wet, but don't puncture easily). Is it just a smoother ride?

    Now have my SPDs attached and plan to take it out for a ride tomorrow with a few litres of liquid in the panniers to see how it goes (10kg or so).

    Will be changing over eventually to my spare 32 spoke wheels (velocity deep v - so should also be bullet proof!)

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    Quote Originally Posted by tallmantim View Post
    Have decided I will not go by ferry to Malaysia - can't get definitive info on them running etc and would have to wait etc, so will leave Singapore at like 5am and ride to Mersing (about 150km) as a first stop.
    you might check the CGOAB blogs on that ride....across the causeway and thru
    johar bahru sounds less fun than, say, a sharp stick in the eye. instead of a half
    day riding thru the urban pit, ride the coastal park to the terminal, then take the
    ferry = no crowds, no waiting at immigration, no traffic, no diesel fumes. but do
    watch out for the evil monkeys at the landing terminal in malaysia.

    read here: http://www.crazyguyonabike.com/doc/p...id=142125&v=60

    i'll confirm that the boats are running. they're privately-operated 'bum boats' running
    between changi ferry terminal and pengerang, carry 12 passengers, and run when full.
    when i got to pengerang, i was the only passenger, waited a bit over an hour. another
    fare showed, so the skipper ran us over to singapore. takes about 45 minutes, costs
    25 ringit or 10 singapore bucks.


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    Ah - cool, thanks for that. Any idea what time the boats would run from in the morning? It sounds much more attractive that going through the city!

    I would like to get up to Mering on the first day - it's about 140km I think from Pengerang. If I only end up landing there at 11 or 12 makes a tough ride to get in before dark!

    Perhaps if I just offer like 100 ringit they would take me immediately?

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    Quote Originally Posted by tallmantim View Post
    Ah - cool, thanks for that. Any idea what time the boats would run from in the morning? It sounds much more attractive that going through the city!

    I would like to get up to Mering on the first day - it's about 140km I think from Pengerang. If I only end up landing there at 11 or 12 makes a tough ride to get in before dark!

    Perhaps if I just offer like 100 ringit they would take me immediately?
    i'm not sure about operating hours, but i'd guess maybe probably daylight hours?
    should start up around 8am. email singapore chamber of commerce. the skippers would rather
    be on the water.....mine offered to drive me over to singapore for a higher fee. i forget
    the amount, but wasn't worth it to me. i was at the end of the tour, just had to get to
    singapore and had all day.

    actually, pengerang to mersing is closer to 160km. quite a haul for one day, considering
    you have to ride 25km around the coast (from downtown singapore, around the airport, and
    up to the changi ferry terminal), then wait for a boat, then spend an hour on the boat.
    you'd best plan on kota tingi as plan A (80km hwy 92 or 90 km hwy 90), and plan B to mersing.

    and i'd think your tires should be okay if you're not carrying heaps of gear. the roads in
    malaysia are pretty good, well-maintained and smooth.

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    Quote Originally Posted by saddlesores View Post
    i'm not sure about operating hours, but i'd guess maybe probably daylight hours?
    should start up around 8am. email singapore chamber of commerce. the skippers would rather
    be on the water.....mine offered to drive me over to singapore for a higher fee. i forget
    the amount, but wasn't worth it to me. i was at the end of the tour, just had to get to
    singapore and had all day.

    actually, pengerang to mersing is closer to 160km. quite a haul for one day, considering
    you have to ride 25km around the coast (from downtown singapore, around the airport, and
    up to the changi ferry terminal), then wait for a boat, then spend an hour on the boat.
    you'd best plan on kota tingi as plan A (80km hwy 92 or 90 km hwy 90), and plan B to mersing.

    and i'd think your tires should be okay if you're not carrying heaps of gear. the roads in
    malaysia are pretty good, well-maintained and smooth.
    Ahh - awesome - thanks!

    I was originally looking at Kota Tingi first of all, but thought Mersing would be a nicer stop point. KT would probably be a much better idea to go for - more manageable for a first day, but if I feel awesome on the day and get through quick I could always continue on to Mersing. ;-)

    I will stick with the Rubinos I already have - and I think take a spare foldable as well (would hate to be in the middle of nowhere with no bike shops within 100km!)

    No direct plan, but I am there for about 13 days in Malaysia (with 2 days for transit etc in Singapore at start and finish). I like the idea of getting up to the Thai border and back - but think that's probably too ambitious for 13 days riding (about 1600km). I have no real plans and credit cards, so will happily hang out in some resort towns if I enjoy them!

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    mersing good: small coastal town, boat tours to nearby islands - resorts, diving and snorkeling.

    kota tingi so-so: nothing of interest. just a stop along the way.

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