Last evening, first time on the new saddle. Put the bike on the trainer and went for 1.5 hour spin while watching an episode of Sherlock and this is how much the saddle sagged. It's the Titanico X with the TruLeather which is supposed to be the stiffest and stretch the least. Thanks to the Holidays, I'm a less than lean 182 lbs so take that into consideration as well. I was able to straighten it out by re-tensioning the bolt but it took a bunch of turns and I'm hoping it has stretched out the majority it's going to but I have my doubts. Time will tell but on the positive side, it was quite comfortable right out of the box.
... at least you won't slide off the front..
just lacks some place to tie off the rope when you lasso them cattle..
a long distance tourer passed thru town summer a couple years ago , his B17 looked like that ..
Gave no indication of them not riding further on it ..
I picked up a Titanico X a few months ago, I've only got about 500 miles on it, (weather, ugh) and it hasn't sagged anything like that. I've tightened the screw maybe a turn or two but not much. I weigh somewhere between 190-200 pounds, depending on proximity to holidays.
Not criticizing, but it looks like you're sitting right in the middle of the saddle. I think that I sit as far back as I can without having the rear rail making things uncomfortable, basically the widest part of the saddle. Looking at your saddle, I also wonder if there was any tension on the bolt to begin with? I learned a trick from someone else who posted that their titanico kept coming untensioned, and he had installed a locknut on the screw. I did the same and can now be sure that the screw will stay where I put it.
On the other hand it is a new saddle and I'd be tempted to ask for my money back given this amount of stretch in a new saddle. Something is seriously wrong here.
As I said, your backside seems to have the final word on the best saddle classification.
Hope this helps!
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Last edited by Walter S; 01-18-14 at 06:19 AM.
Selle Anatomica recommends against over tensioning. They say it leads to premature wear. I can't recall their language but the basic idea is that it should not feel like a hard saddle. But I know it needs tension if I "bottom out" against the metal support! However, I leave it alone if I'm not close to that point.
I think there's something to be known by looking at how much thread is left to adjust. Mine is about half gone. It probably started out with about 1/4. I'm not sure. But virtually all the remaining adjustment was during the first 5 or 8 hundred miles. So far it looks clear that the last half will last a lot longer than the first. How long, time will tell.
If one could lace from the inner edge to the outer edge on the same side and do this on each side, I think the stiffening effect of lacing would be achieved and the inner edge interference I felt in every unmentionable location should be eliminated (I don't want to cause another saddle thread to be moved to a limbo I can't access - grrrr!). But if the stretching has not stabilized, my saddle will continue to stretch out.
Anyway, I hope Robow's does not continue to stretch. My first one was essentially the current non-X version, with single laminate, and it stopped stretching. I weighed 180 to 185 back then, when the saddle was recommended for 190 pounds.
Also, my attitude is that stretching per say is not failure of the saddle if it could be compensated with the tension screw. What can really go wrong with stretch is that the leather does not keep the body above the seat post clamps, or that the leather stretches differentially and distorts. If those occur and cannot be mitigated by tightening the screw, that's a failure in my mind. The instructions that were sent out when Tom Miller lead the company said to use the tension screw to experiment with the support of the twin "hammocks," to get even support all across your undercarriage. Tighten it up if it seemed too loose, and back it out if it became so stiff that the sit bones became pained. After this setting revisit saddle tilt to move the pressure more toward the front or back of the saddle, iterating as necessary. It's very different from how the current leaders are presenting the product. I'm not sure if the product is actually different, though the new saddle seems narrower across the middle, between the C-arch and the horn area. I'm not sure anyone at Selle Anatomica has the history of how Tom saw things. Probably only Monarch-McLaren can explain if the leather is different, and if I were leading SA I would not let MM talk about the materials freely.
the way leather saddles are riveted together .. the back ones are set last , front ones first.
so you take the back ones out , then the front, maybe punch new holes.
and then rivet it back together.