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    Quote Originally Posted by Road Fan View Post
    I just bought a Titanico X in the discount deal, Vintage color. I have a few others, dating back about 5 years ago to Tom Miller's time. I liked my first one quite a lot. I tried two different Watersheds, and did not find those able to set up correctly. This Titanico X will (I hope) have more Brooks-like stiffness with the effective dual hammock concept. We'll see!
    That's the one I bought also. I had to tighten it up considerably after the the first 100-150 miles. We'll see what happens from here, it is definitely comfortable.

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    Last evening, first time on the new saddle. Put the bike on the trainer and went for 1.5 hour spin while watching an episode of Sherlock and this is how much the saddle sagged. It's the Titanico X with the TruLeather which is supposed to be the stiffest and stretch the least. Thanks to the Holidays, I'm a less than lean 182 lbs so take that into consideration as well. I was able to straighten it out by re-tensioning the bolt but it took a bunch of turns and I'm hoping it has stretched out the majority it's going to but I have my doubts. Time will tell but on the positive side, it was quite comfortable right out of the box.

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    ... at least you won't slide off the front..

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    Quote Originally Posted by fietsbob View Post
    ... at least you won't slide off the front..
    More like "Yeehaw ride 'em cowboy" comes to mind. Maybe when a saddle really is a saddle?

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    just lacks some place to tie off the rope when you lasso them cattle..

    a long distance tourer passed thru town summer a couple years ago , his B17 looked like that ..



    Gave no indication of them not riding further on it ..

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    Quote Originally Posted by robow View Post
    Last evening, first time on the new saddle. Put the bike on the trainer and went for 1.5 hour spin while watching an episode of Sherlock and this is how much the saddle sagged. It's the Titanico X with the TruLeather which is supposed to be the stiffest and stretch the least. Thanks to the Holidays, I'm a less than lean 182 lbs so take that into consideration as well. I was able to straighten it out by re-tensioning the bolt but it took a bunch of turns and I'm hoping it has stretched out the majority it's going to but I have my doubts. Time will tell but on the positive side, it was quite comfortable right out of the box.

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    That's pretty astonishing.

    I picked up a Titanico X a few months ago, I've only got about 500 miles on it, (weather, ugh) and it hasn't sagged anything like that. I've tightened the screw maybe a turn or two but not much. I weigh somewhere between 190-200 pounds, depending on proximity to holidays.

    Not criticizing, but it looks like you're sitting right in the middle of the saddle. I think that I sit as far back as I can without having the rear rail making things uncomfortable, basically the widest part of the saddle. Looking at your saddle, I also wonder if there was any tension on the bolt to begin with? I learned a trick from someone else who posted that their titanico kept coming untensioned, and he had installed a locknut on the screw. I did the same and can now be sure that the screw will stay where I put it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by robow View Post
    Last evening, first time on the new saddle. Put the bike on the trainer and went for 1.5 hour spin while watching an episode of Sherlock and this is how much the saddle sagged. It's the Titanico X with the TruLeather which is supposed to be the stiffest and stretch the least. Thanks to the Holidays, I'm a less than lean 182 lbs so take that into consideration as well. I was able to straighten it out by re-tensioning the bolt but it took a bunch of turns and I'm hoping it has stretched out the majority it's going to but I have my doubts. Time will tell but on the positive side, it was quite comfortable right out of the box.

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    That amount of sag is outrageous and moreso if this happened with just one ride. If it were mine and it were possible with this type of saddle, then I would lace the wings together with cord as it's clear that no amount of tensioning is going to serve to keep the leather taut. There are plenty of instructions on the internet regarding this and it's a tried and tested method.

    On the other hand it is a new saddle and I'd be tempted to ask for my money back given this amount of stretch in a new saddle. Something is seriously wrong here.

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    Quote Originally Posted by redbike72 View Post
    You can get lots of opinions about saddles but your own backside is always the final judge.
    We've seen enough conflicting views on saddles to fill a library.
    If you like it, buy it.... if you hate it, don't be afraid to move on.
    This is the true story! I tried the Titanico, felt good for the first 500 miles I put on it to break in for a tour. Headed out on tour and within three days had a terrible sore develop. Had my wife fed-x my old Brooks B-17 to me and have never looked back. All my bikes now sport an Imperial. That said, what redbike says here is so true. Each person has a saddle story and good for someone may not be good for you. Gotta just buck up the dough and try it!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by redbike72 View Post
    You can get lots of opinions about saddles but your own backside is always the final judge.
    We've seen enough conflicting views on saddles to fill a library.
    If you like it, buy it.... if you hate it, don't be afraid to move on.
    This is the true story! I tried the Titanico, felt good for the first 500 miles I put on it to break in for a tour. Headed out on tour and within three days had a terrible sore develop. Had my wife fed-x my old Brooks B-17 to me and have never looked back. All my bikes now sport an Imperial. That said, what redbike says here is so true. Each person has a saddle story and good for someone may not be good for you. Gotta just buck up the dough and try it!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by robow View Post
    Last evening, first time on the new saddle. Put the bike on the trainer and went for 1.5 hour spin while watching an episode of Sherlock and this is how much the saddle sagged. It's the Titanico X with the TruLeather which is supposed to be the stiffest and stretch the least. Thanks to the Holidays, I'm a less than lean 182 lbs so take that into consideration as well. I was able to straighten it out by re-tensioning the bolt but it took a bunch of turns and I'm hoping it has stretched out the majority it's going to but I have my doubts. Time will tell but on the positive side, it was quite comfortable right out of the box.

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    It's normal for the first few rides to include significant stretching. Mine was like that new. Then less and less over time. Don't tension it too much though. It should not feel like a racing saddle. You should feel like you're riding in a form fitting cradle that moves with you. Not a rigid surface.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jim Bangs View Post
    This is the true story! I tried the Titanico, felt good for the first 500 miles I put on it to break in for a tour. Headed out on tour and within three days had a terrible sore develop. Had my wife fed-x my old Brooks B-17 to me and have never looked back. All my bikes now sport an Imperial. That said, what redbike says here is so true. Each person has a saddle story and good for someone may not be good for you. Gotta just buck up the dough and try it!!
    It's amazing what you can get used to. I used an old Avocet saddle from the 80's until I bought a 29 dollar Selle Italia (entry level) saddle. I've been with the cheap and nasty unit for the last 10 years. During that time I've tried various Brooks and Specialized and Terry saddles but haven't been able to adjust to the new seating.
    As I said, your backside seems to have the final word on the best saddle classification.

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    Quote Originally Posted by robow View Post
    Last evening, first time on the new saddle. Put the bike on the trainer and went for 1.5 hour spin while watching an episode of Sherlock and this is how much the saddle sagged. It's the Titanico X with the TruLeather which is supposed to be the stiffest and stretch the least. Thanks to the Holidays, I'm a less than lean 182 lbs so take that into consideration as well. I was able to straighten it out by re-tensioning the bolt but it took a bunch of turns and I'm hoping it has stretched out the majority it's going to but I have my doubts. Time will tell but on the positive side, it was quite comfortable right out of the box.

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    Not to be a hater, but the most uncomfortable saddle I've ever ridden, and there have been a few. Imagine sitting in a hammock with a beer bottle poking you in the groin - charming feel. On the positive side, they were terrific about making a full refund.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FrenchFit View Post
    Not to be a hater, but the most uncomfortable saddle I've ever ridden, and there have been a few. Imagine sitting in a hammock with a beer bottle poking you in the groin - charming feel. On the positive side, they were terrific about making a full refund.
    Proof that saddles are such a personal thing. I've had the opposite results. Could not be happier with this saddle. The saddle is no longer "the weak link" in long daily miles. I can ride on it all day and love the feeling.

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    Quote Originally Posted by robow View Post
    I've been wanting to try one of the cut out models for sometime so recently I bit the bullet and after many years of owning Brooks B17's I will be trying out a SA Ti X. The old knock against them was that they stretched out too quickly but supposedly with the X version and the double laminate, it will wear longer. We'll see. If any interested I will give an impartial review as the year goes on as to the SA vs. B17
    I just bought a black X in the sale, but I haven't installed it yet. I also have a 5-year old SA from the days when Tom Miller was alive and ran the company. I put about 500 miles on the older one training for a tour and riding it, and it ended up being a totally comfortable saddle. I weighed about 185, and the saddle screw had to be adjusted out about 75% of its length, eventually. But not more since then. At the same time, I sold that touring bike and have not been able to get that saddle to tune up as well on my other bikes. I have always and still like Brookses, but I can rarely get one positioned correctly due to the short rails. So for me, a stiff new Titanico X sounds like a real good saddle to try next. It's even a different shape from the old SA's.

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    So I went with the Brooks B-17 Imperial....now I have to break it in20140113_151834.jpg

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    Quote Originally Posted by robow View Post
    Last evening, first time on the new saddle. Put the bike on the trainer and went for 1.5 hour spin while watching an episode of Sherlock and this is how much the saddle sagged. It's the Titanico X with the TruLeather which is supposed to be the stiffest and stretch the least. Thanks to the Holidays, I'm a less than lean 182 lbs so take that into consideration as well. I was able to straighten it out by re-tensioning the bolt but it took a bunch of turns and I'm hoping it has stretched out the majority it's going to but I have my doubts. Time will tell but on the positive side, it was quite comfortable right out of the box.

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    It's not you or your weight, they've been having problems with them. From what I can tell they are hit or miss. My first one was great for 2,000 miles and just shy of a year until it snapped a rail. The replacement one they sent me did something like yours did in something like 2 months or less. The Titanico X is supposed to be rated to 250 pounds. My first one handled my ~280 pounds like a champ, I barely turned the bolt a quarter or half turn once. Second saddle went right through the adjustment to the end of the bolt in that two months. They admitted to me that they are redesigning the saddle and offered me anything in their line-up as a replacement. They stand behind their product, but there is either a flaw or spotty problems with some of the saddles.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Walter S View Post
    It's normal for the first few rides to include significant stretching. Mine was like that new. Then less and less over time. Don't tension it too much though. It should not feel like a racing saddle. You should feel like you're riding in a form fitting cradle that moves with you. Not a rigid surface.
    My first Titanico didn't stretch hardly at all. I don't think that is normal at all.
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    Quote Originally Posted by onbike 1939 View Post
    That amount of sag is outrageous and moreso if this happened with just one ride. If it were mine and it were possible with this type of saddle, then I would lace the wings together with cord as it's clear that no amount of tensioning is going to serve to keep the leather taut. There are plenty of instructions on the internet regarding this and it's a tried and tested method.

    On the other hand it is a new saddle and I'd be tempted to ask for my money back given this amount of stretch in a new saddle. Something is seriously wrong here.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Medic Zero View Post
    My first Titanico didn't stretch hardly at all. I don't think that is normal at all.
    It is normal according to Sell Anatomica (and mine and some others experience I've read about). Their setup info tells you to expect stretching on the first few rides and then less so.

    Edit: Mine is watershed leather, which I understand stretches more than the other.
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    Quote Originally Posted by robow View Post
    Last evening, first time on the new saddle. Put the bike on the trainer and went for 1.5 hour spin while watching an episode of Sherlock and this is how much the saddle sagged. It's the Titanico X with the TruLeather which is supposed to be the stiffest and stretch the least. Thanks to the Holidays, I'm a less than lean 182 lbs so take that into consideration as well. I was able to straighten it out by re-tensioning the bolt but it took a bunch of turns and I'm hoping it has stretched out the majority it's going to but I have my doubts. Time will tell but on the positive side, it was quite comfortable right out of the box.

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    Mine stretched a bunch on the first ride which was only about 25 miles. Then much less on subsequent rides. I still occasionally tension a little but only about 1/4 turn. I've been about 2000 miles now and it is getting very stable. I've used about 1/2 of the threads. I tension less and less frequently now. I think I've been on 8-10 40 mile RT commutes with no adjustment at all. I certainly may tension it again but I no longer feel like I'm eating thru the threads at a rapid pace.

    Selle Anatomica recommends against over tensioning. They say it leads to premature wear. I can't recall their language but the basic idea is that it should not feel like a hard saddle. But I know it needs tension if I "bottom out" against the metal support! However, I leave it alone if I'm not close to that point.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Walter S View Post
    It is normal according to Sell Anatomica (and mine and some others experience I've read about). Their setup info tells you to expect stretching on the first few rides and then less so.

    Edit: Mine is watershed leather, which I understand stretches more than the other.
    Mine were watershed too. What we see in the picture seems to be very excessive stretching.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Medic Zero View Post
    Mine were watershed too. What we see in the picture seems to be very excessive stretching.
    I had quite a lot of stretching in the first ride too. I started out with pretty high tension. Very little give. (more so than I ride with normally now). Then in that first ride I had to stop and adjust it a couple more times because it stretched enough that my butt was bottoming out against the metal. Since that first ride, I've never had to re-tension while underway - only before I ride.

    I think there's something to be known by looking at how much thread is left to adjust. Mine is about half gone. It probably started out with about 1/4. I'm not sure. But virtually all the remaining adjustment was during the first 5 or 8 hundred miles. So far it looks clear that the last half will last a lot longer than the first. How long, time will tell.

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    Quote Originally Posted by onbike 1939 View Post
    That amount of sag is outrageous and moreso if this happened with just one ride. If it were mine and it were possible with this type of saddle, then I would lace the wings together with cord as it's clear that no amount of tensioning is going to serve to keep the leather taut. There are plenty of instructions on the internet regarding this and it's a tried and tested method.

    On the other hand it is a new saddle and I'd be tempted to ask for my money back given this amount of stretch in a new saddle. Something is seriously wrong here.
    I tried lacing my first one. It did reduce the sag, but the central edges of the slot stuck up as my weight was added. It was decent for short rides. I removed the laces and just tensioned out the screw to about 80%. Interestingly, my leather (pre-Watershed) stopped stretching at that point and I went on to complete tour training and to go on my tour. Ultimately I left it early, but that had nothing to do with comfort. Later the comfort did decrease, and I do not know why that happened. Neither increasing nor decreasing tension helped.

    If one could lace from the inner edge to the outer edge on the same side and do this on each side, I think the stiffening effect of lacing would be achieved and the inner edge interference I felt in every unmentionable location should be eliminated (I don't want to cause another saddle thread to be moved to a limbo I can't access - grrrr!). But if the stretching has not stabilized, my saddle will continue to stretch out.

    Anyway, I hope Robow's does not continue to stretch. My first one was essentially the current non-X version, with single laminate, and it stopped stretching. I weighed 180 to 185 back then, when the saddle was recommended for 190 pounds.

    Also, my attitude is that stretching per say is not failure of the saddle if it could be compensated with the tension screw. What can really go wrong with stretch is that the leather does not keep the body above the seat post clamps, or that the leather stretches differentially and distorts. If those occur and cannot be mitigated by tightening the screw, that's a failure in my mind. The instructions that were sent out when Tom Miller lead the company said to use the tension screw to experiment with the support of the twin "hammocks," to get even support all across your undercarriage. Tighten it up if it seemed too loose, and back it out if it became so stiff that the sit bones became pained. After this setting revisit saddle tilt to move the pressure more toward the front or back of the saddle, iterating as necessary. It's very different from how the current leaders are presenting the product. I'm not sure if the product is actually different, though the new saddle seems narrower across the middle, between the C-arch and the horn area. I'm not sure anyone at Selle Anatomica has the history of how Tom saw things. Probably only Monarch-McLaren can explain if the leather is different, and if I were leading SA I would not let MM talk about the materials freely.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Road Fan View Post
    I tried lacing my first one. It did reduce the sag, but the central edges of the slot stuck up as my weight was added. It was decent for short rides. I removed the laces and just tensioned out the screw to about 80%. Interestingly, my leather (pre-Watershed) stopped stretching at that point and I went on to complete tour training and to go on my tour. Ultimately I left it early, but that had nothing to do with comfort. Later the comfort did decrease, and I do not know why that happened. Neither increasing nor decreasing tension helped.
    I'm afraid all my experience is with Brooks and with the new leather saddles sourced from the far east. These are of course very different in construction from the Sell Anatomica. With these leather saddles, lacing is an effective way of reviving tension.

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    the way leather saddles are riveted together .. the back ones are set last , front ones first.

    so you take the back ones out , then the front, maybe punch new holes.

    and then rivet it back together.

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