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    Quote Originally Posted by Thulsadoom View Post
    Truly no offense intended Paul, but you might want to consider the possibility that you are a bit of an anatomic oddity in that respect. I've never seen anyone else set up a touring rig as aggressively as yours is, with the bars 4-5 inches below saddle height. Most of us mere mortals would not last long on a tour with our rigs set up like that, that's more aggressive than my race bike. If I set up my bars 4-5 inches below saddle height, I would have to rotate my pelvis so far forward that probably 90 percent of my bodyweight would be off my sit-bones and on my perineum and other unmentionables.
    No offence taken, but it is Pete, not Paul.

    I can generally agree with what you said here. I do not think it negates my point though. My point was not to argue for anyone using a specific bar height, but that they should consider using something similar to what they use on their road bike. They just might find that higher bars may not allow more comfort and may actually cause more back and butt discomfort.

    On the distribution of weight... I'd argue that a large portion of the rider's weight should be supported by their legs and sitting upright does not promote that in my experience.

    I concede that there is a very broad range of what works for a broad range of individuals and that I am probably pretty close to an extreme end of that continuum.

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    staehpj1, Over the years the only bike that I haven't age related relaxed my posture with is my mountain bike. Perhaps because I spend so much time out of the saddle when riding it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by biker222 View Post
    Thanks for input. One problem with going more upright is the stem is at the top of steer tube height. The new bars have a little shorter reach than original HB. I have not really tested new config too much. A little on a fluid trainer. One thing also I have been noticing on the B17 was it was starting to splay outwards. Was thinking about lacing sides, but put on the back burner until more testing with Turbo.
    The Profitter I was using suggested using a Fizak Aliante saddle which ran about $145. Not sure how well that will hold up for touring wear.
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    I was going to suggest the Aliante too. I have had one on my Cross Check for 7 years and will probably put one on the Riv. Roadeo when I build it. Comfy and durable.
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    Quote Originally Posted by staehpj1 View Post
    No offence taken, but it is Pete, not Paul.

    I can generally agree with what you said here. I do not think it negates my point though. My point was not to argue for anyone using a specific bar height, but that they should consider using something similar to what they use on their road bike. They just might find that higher bars may not allow more comfort and may actually cause more back and butt discomfort.

    On the distribution of weight... I'd argue that a large portion of the rider's weight should be supported by their legs and sitting upright does not promote that in my experience.

    I concede that there is a very broad range of what works for a broad range of individuals and that I am probably pretty close to an extreme end of that continuum.
    Point well taken, and sorry about the name mix-up.

    Believe me, I'm jealous. I WISH I could set up my rig like that and enjoy the aerodynamic benefits.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bike Hermit View Post
    I was going to suggest the Aliante too. I have had one on my Cross Check for 7 years and will probably put one on the Riv. Roadeo when I build it. Comfy and durable.
    I think there are a couple of model variations on the Aliante. It is a little confusing when looking at saddle sites. Which model are you using ?
    The one concern I have is durabilty. I had used one of the demo models during bike fitting and for short test time it seem to fit fairly well. The real test is after 50 mi or 2 plus hours in saddle.

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    Mr222, as you say, the real test is always after a few hours.

    Then there's the factors of your bike shorts, and if they work well for you, how stuff like chammy butter can be a help too for reducing friction, but certainly doesnt fix stuff like you have mentioned (and given how much you have ridden, you aren't a novice to recognizing seat issues)

    again, it certainly seemed to me that rather small changes in positioning really made a difference for my riding comfort with the Brooks I own. Was this any more different than with previous non-leather saddles I've ridden on, maybe, although I suspect age has something to do with it. When I was younger I probably ignored stuff more and just lived with it)

    PS I certainly agree with Peter, Paul and Mary (could not resist that) about approximating your road bike position, within reason. I figure that riding a heavy bike we work pretty darn hard most of the time, not the same forementioned hammering, but certainly steady hard work, and thats why I wouldnt want too much of an upright seating position, just because for my leg output, the bars can be a bit below seat level and given the proper reach forward, this puts me in my most efficient riding position of weight on legs, bars and bum, while still being ok for my neck and all that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by biker222 View Post
    I think there are a couple of model variations on the Aliante. It is a little confusing when looking at saddle sites. Which model are you using ?
    The one concern I have is durabilty. I had used one of the demo models during bike fitting and for short test time it seem to fit fairly well. The real test is after 50 mi or 2 plus hours in saddle.
    I'm not exactly sure which model it is but in the current lineup I would say the Gamma is the closest to what I have. My saddle has been to war and I would have absolutely no concerns about durability.
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    68 y.o. and tour with the same setup as road. I ride a relatively small frame, so saddle to bar drop not so much, varying from 1.5" to 2.5". Slammed 17 stem on our road and touring tandem gives 1.5" drop.

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