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Old 04-01-14, 10:49 AM   #26
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Not familiar with either of those , they are at the same seller , as the phone number is the same..

as far as the multi purpose criteria , I got rid of my 1 wheel BoB trailer , in favor of a 2 wheel trailer

because the 1 wheel trailer handled odly with a higher CofG load, such as the boxes from Costco runs ..

but as I say, I have no exposure to the trailers you show .

only offering my experience with the 2 types ..

but, a fair number of people tour on road bikes , towing a BoB trailer ,
down the Pacific Coast , every summer.
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Seems like you are a primary candidate for a trailer.
Maybe for everyday use, but as noted, according to the rules for this "event" he is going on, participants must take turns pulling supplied trailers with shared gear, which is why the event requires rear racks and panniers for personal gear. In light thereof, it seems the issue of what he should use for this trip resolves itself.
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Wow, A bike trip, for a NonProfit, that requires you to each bring a Lap top and a cell Phone..

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The laptop does seem like overkill at first glance....seems like they could share to some extent..

Are you required to bring only 7, or do you have to bring 14 pairs of underwear?
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I definitely prefer panniers.

While I have not toured with my trailer, I use it to haul our weekly groceries. It is a Bike Friday trailer that was given to me by a friend. While well built and billed for touring use, I wouldn't use it on a tour based on my cargo hauling experiences. However, for hauling cargo it beats the heck out of panniers. We use both for going to the store. I've seen a lot folks pulling trailers on tour. Depending on the bike, it may be the most reasonable option.

IMO, humble, and inexperienced, I would think the 2 wheel trailer is better for cargo, and the 1 wheel with the narrower footprint better for touring. Having said that, I know a couple who pulled their 5 year daughter from Vancouver,BC to Patagonia using a 2 wheel trailer.

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Right now I own my 1990's Cannondale and a Mongoose Alta. I plan to use the Cannondale--it has 23 mm road tires & it's much lighter than the Mongoose (my winter mountain bike).

I found the two threaded holes mentioned in this thread in the Cannondale's rear dropouts. I'll take a few pictures of the bike to see how I can strap some fenders & at least a rear rack.
This thread has some racks suitable for a roadie. If your Cannondale is a 3.0 or a 2.8 I don't know how the cantilevered seat stays will effect mounting an attachment point for a trailer or perhaps the clearance when turning to the right.

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The laptop does seem like overkill at first glance....seems like they could share to some extent.
My guess is that they'll each be preparing and giving some kind of presentation as part of this trip.
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It actually looks like they want you to bring 14 pairs of underwear as it lists the 7 pairs twice. Get two pairs of ExOfficio Give and Go underwear and that is all you need and the only reason I said two is so you can wear and wash. They are the best underwear I have used and I pretty much only wear that stuff because it gets less funky, is breathable, quick drying and perfect for travel. Run through the list and go with lightweight travel stuff (there is plenty that looks decent for fancier events but will dry quick and wash easy and take up less weight and be more practical) Avoid cotton and heavy clothes and maybe one jersey and pair of bike shorts and a button down travel shirt, wear convertible travel pants (in case you get hot or cold depending).

Now back to the topic of trailers: My first tour I ever did was with a borrowed kids trailer (Burley, I believe) and while it got the job done it was a pain in my arse. Part of it was me ending up taking way to much for two people and part of it was a big two wheeled trailer. I suppose a BOB or a Topeak Journey single wheel might be nicer:
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and less weight and better tracking and more practical for carrying gear rather than chilluns!

However I prefer panniers and packing lightly (which I kind of don't do so well but am trying) You already have to carry all of the gear why add the weight of a trailer with another wheel to that? Plus you then have to worry about another wheel or wheels to do flat fixes on and that means usually tubes of a different size.

Granted I know vs. Panniers wasn't asked but like everyone on the planet I have opinions and someone will hear them ; )
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This thread has some racks suitable for a roadie. If your Cannondale is a 3.0 or a 2.8 I don't know how the cantilevered seat stays will effect mounting an attachment point for a trailer or perhaps the clearance when turning to the right.

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No need for any special rear racks. I've used my Cannondale 3.0 (crit-geom) bike for touring with a standard old Blackburn rack using the threaded holes in the rear dropouts. It also works fine towing a utility trailer attached to the left stay - which is what that tour group seems to have as their shared group trailers.

Seems to me that the OP needs to use a rear rack and panniers for his personal stuff so he can still tow one of the group trailers when required - attaching a second trailer behind one for his personal things doesn't seem like it would work very well.

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I've been using a 2-wheel trailer for some years now.

http://www.bikeforums.net/attachment...7&d=1262446900

This specific trailer was named Carry Freedom Y-frame (Small), but is now sold under the name "Wandertec" (Wandertec Bongo Bike Cargo Trailer Small | Bike Trailer)

Two wheel trailers have some disadvantages over the more popular single wheel BOBs:

-They are wider, which causes a problem in city rides and on technical trails;
-They don't track the rear wheel like the BOB, so you need to be cautious in tight turns;
-And the worst thing: they can flip over.

There are some advantages:

-The Y-frame is as-light-as the BOBs, but can carry more weight and bigger items;
-It doesn't affect the bike handling like single-wheel trailers (which have to tilt with the bike), so all you feel is the extra weight, but the handling is like that of an empty bike;
-You can lean the bike wherever you want, or even on the ground (a tricky task with BOBs);
-You can quickly attach / disattach the trailer while it's loaded (No-no with single wheel trailers)
-You can use the trailer to haul the bike/s on airports and bus terminals, when they are boxed (a nightmare in trips)
-And, unlike BOBs, it folds flat for transportation.

In one sentence: in smoother the terrain, the two-wheel trailers are better. On really difficult off-road terrain, single-wheels are better.

I learned that the two major guidlines for avoiding flip-over are:

a. pack the heavier items as low as possible.
b. use low-enough air pressure on the trailer wheels. High air pressure increases the chanses of flipping-over. On the last trip I used Shwalbe Big Apple tires, which are very soft and have a big volume. This allowed me to reduce air pressure to a level where they act like good suspention, and still have low enough rolling resistance.

Weight: the Y-frame weights 6kg (BOB yak is ~5.5kg) Considering you give up racks and panniers, and that you can use a light bike with light wheels, the weight penalty of the trailer is not that terrible.
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Here's the Cannondale I'm planning to use. (The seat's slightly low in the picture).

It's missing a rack, panniers, fenders, a mirror, and, from my experience on a 40 mile ride, more comfortable grip tape and brake hoods.

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Fork Dropouts:


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Threaded hole?


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Here's the Cannondale I'm planning to use. (The seat's slightly low in the picture).

It's missing a rack, panniers, fenders, & a mirror.

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That is a nice '80s SR, I have one under construction at the moment. Mounting a rack maybe hindered by seat stay interference with the vertical support leg of the rack. (My '86 frame has the attachment points further to the rear, behind the axle. A difference I wasn't aware of.) In my previous post a link shows a rack that moves the rack's support leg rearward. I would opt for an upper rack support that uses a single attachment point on the brake bridge, but the seat stays are robust enough to use P-clips.

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The only trailer I've ever used was the BOB Yak. It has its purposes. It can def. carry a lot of weight and most normally worry about the gear they carry, but they forget about food and water. Living in the Canadian Prairies, my bike rides consist of long stretches of biking outside of towns / cities. Being able to carry 5 litres of water and some food is a great way to utilize your BOB Yak.The single wheel design is quite nice. The two wheel Burley trailer looks really cool, but it seems like it would take a lot of room riding on the uneven roads, etc and may get caught in things. I use my Bob Yak to carry heavy loads when biking with my wife. Her bike is not a touring bike and she can't carry a lot of things...

Anyway, good luck.

Here's my BOB Yak with my previous bike. I no longer have the bike, but I kept the trailer. I use it with my current Surly LHT, but since most of my bike tours are actually in Europe, I bring panniers. Easier to carry on the plane.
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That is a nice '80s SR, I have one under construction at the moment. Mounting a rack maybe hindered by seat stay interference with the vertical support leg of the rack. (My '86 frame has the attachment points further to the rear, behind the axle. A difference I wasn't aware of.) In my previous post a link shows a rack that moves the rack's support leg rearward. I would opt for an upper rack support that uses a single attachment point on the brake bridge, but the seat stays are robust enough to use P-clips.

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Brad,

Do you think a spacer would work there? It seems like if the loads are kept moderate, a longer bolt would not be an issue.
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Here's the Cannondale I'm planning to use. (The seat's slightly low in the picture).

It's missing a rack, panniers, fenders, a mirror, and, from my experience on a 40 mile ride, more comfortable grip tape and brake hoods.

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This is the type of brake bridge mounting that Brad was talking about.
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I'm leaning toward a rear rack that attaches at the brake bridge & the quick release skewer.

Where can I get one of those? (It seems unconventional)

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I'll probably get these fenders; they also attach at the skewer:

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Do you think a spacer would work there? It seems like if the loads are kept moderate, a longer bolt would not be an issue.
Probably, but the spacer would need to be able to help support the load with a close fit to the mounting bolt. Perhaps a couple of nuts threaded tightly onto the mounting bolt.

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I'm leaning toward a rear rack that attaches at the brake bridge & the quick release skewer.

Where can I get one of those? (It seems unconventional)
Look at racks designed for disk brake applications.

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Brad,

Do you think a spacer would work there? It seems like if the loads are kept moderate, a longer bolt would not be an issue.
Mine had the cantilevered drop outs so that wasn't a problem. With your dropouts, I'd probably use the skewer type mounting, For those check out Axiom racks, some of them mount that way.
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Mine had the cantilevered drop outs so that wasn't a problem. With your dropouts, I'd probably use the skewer type mounting, For those check out Axiom racks, some of them mount that way.
Haven't thoroughly read the thread, so don't know whether Old Man Mountain skewer mounted racks were mentioned. Exceedingly well designed. Most solid racks out there.
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This works:

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I have toured with that rack and really liked it.
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Text says .. the OP is supposed to take turns with the group's gear trailer ,

maybe they want to shirk their part of the deal by having a trailer for their own gear ,

so will be exempt from doing their share of the group effort. .

so a rack it must be for egalitarian goal sharing ..

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Walk into a Bike Shop . Amherst MA undoubtedly has more than one.
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