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    What's on the lighter weight end of the touring rim spectrum?

    I'm about to build up a wheel-set. I only weigh ~150lbs and only plan to have ~30-40lbs of stuff on the bike when touring. I also plan to use this bike for leisurely and somewhat spirited summer rides, so I'm steering clear of the Surly LHT with big beefy parts sort of build. What would you suggest on the lighter weight end of touring rims? So far I've read good things about the Velocity Dyad and they weigh less than a lot of typical stout touring rims, but I'm hoping there's something that isn't going to cost me $75/rim. Under $50 would be Much preferred.
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    i use kinlin xr-200 in 28h front and rear. less than 50 for mine at same weight.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 3speed View Post
    I'm about to build up a wheel-set. I only weigh ~150lbs and only plan to have ~30-40lbs of stuff on the bike when touring. I also plan to use this bike for leisurely and somewhat spirited summer rides, so I'm steering clear of the Surly LHT with big beefy parts sort of build. What would you suggest on the lighter weight end of touring rims? So far I've read good things about the Velocity Dyad and they weigh less than a lot of typical stout touring rims, but I'm hoping there's something that isn't going to cost me $75/rim. Under $50 would be Much preferred.
    I have been pleased with the Dyad rims for their weight and durability. We run them on 3 bikes, 2 touring and a cyclo cross bike. They are all built with the 36 spoke rims. I selected the Dyad rims because I thought they were a good balance between weight and durability.

    My cross bike with 28 mm tires fit the description of your riding style. I rode it loaded across the country, and at the other end of the spectrum, take it on weekend club rides. It is may favorite bike. I weigh about the same as you, and can get away with a smaller tire while still being comfortable. However, I will probably put a lightweight 32 mm on it if I use it for touring again. Good wheels are a good long-term investment.

    On a tour a couple of years ago part of our route took us over 400 miles of dirt and unsurfaced roads and 500 miles of cobblestone roads and trails. My wife and I were both running Dyad rims on the loaded touring bikes. My wife's wheels have over 10,000 miles on them, and they are still as true as when they were built. About 2/3 of that was loaded touring.



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    Two pairs of Dyads got me 47000 miles of touring. Failure was from cracks between the eyeholes. I think if you shop around you ought to buy them for about US$40 each.

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    There isn't really any light end as far as I am concerned. My body weight justifies running touring weight, and that is before I load up. The reality is that if you are over the 150-180 range, you should be looking at touring weight rims, anyway, and saving on spokes is a joke. Very bad practice. why is it one finds so many tourist get really wound up having a little bracket on their frame to carry a few extra spokes, but carrying them on the wheels is just a step too far. Best place to carry extra spokes is in the wheel.

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    That (or something very similar) was written before the current understanding that fat tires are faster anyway. So even if you could get away with what the estimable Mr White thinks you ought not try to, you won't gain anything for some reasons he didn't mention, in addition.

    I like wheels that perform well. I run slicks, of low weight, in the 35mm size, with standard touring rims, 36 or more spokes, and light inner tubes, when I can find them.

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    I use a pair of Mavic Open Sport on my wheels for tires up to 32mm (mfr rated 19-32, 20.2 width). They weigh in at 490g. $49.95 at Harris Cyclery. Velocity Dyads are on my other wheels for tires greater than 32mm (mfr rated 28-60, 24 width). Mfr says 525g, Harris and Peter White say 480g. Above weights are for the 700c sizes.
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    Quote Originally Posted by 3speed View Post
    I'm about to build up a wheel-set. I only weigh ~150lbs and only plan to have ~30-40lbs of stuff on the bike when touring. I also plan to use this bike for leisurely and somewhat spirited summer rides, so I'm steering clear of the Surly LHT with big beefy parts sort of build. What would you suggest on the lighter weight end of touring rims? So far I've read good things about the Velocity Dyad and they weigh less than a lot of typical stout touring rims, but I'm hoping there's something that isn't going to cost me $75/rim. Under $50 would be Much preferred.
    Just want to chime in to say that the build in most ways matters more than the rim you choose. I'm partial to the Dyad for your application (Aeroheat if you're going 26"), but either of those built with low/uneven tension will not make for a durable/dependable wheel. Be sure you choose a competent builder.
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    Thanks, everyone, for the input. I think my build is gonna be Dyads laced to Shimano 105 hubs since my rear dropouts are spaced to 130. I'm having them built at a local shop by a guy who says he's been building wheels for a long time, including his own touring wheels. As Doug pointed out and I should consider, good wheels are an investment, so I guess I'll spring for the Dyads, though I definitely can't find them for $40. I spent a little while looking and couldn't seem to find them for less than ~$60. Anyone got any leads on a good deal?
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    My touring wheels are Velocity Synergy OC. They're a bit lighter than the Dyad and the off-center drilling has made for a reliable, maintenance-free wheel... so far. I used 32-hole rims mated to Shimano XTR hubs (found them for half-price; couldn't resist), DT Swiss Competition double-butted spokes, and brass nipples. Mount some Vittoria Voyager Hyper tires and you have a relatively light, fast-rolling wheel!

    Unfortunately, the Synergy OC is no longer listed on the main Velocity USA website, though they're still be sold in the Velocity store... which may mean that they've been discontinued.

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    Sounds like a good plan. I think I paid about that for my rims also, even lesser known rims like the Alex DH19 are in that range.

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    Sstorkel, I am going with the Vittoria Hypers. I think I'm gonna go 700x35c. I want a little more width because I do some crushed gravel type rails-to-trails around home. I'll probably swap to narrower tires for the unloaded summer riding. I was considering 32 hole rims, and 32 hole 105 hubs are Much easier to find, but I figured I'd stick with the 36 since I will be doing thousands of loaded touring miles on them.
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    Quote Originally Posted by 3speed View Post
    Thanks, everyone, for the input. I think my build is gonna be Dyads laced to Shimano 105 hubs since my rear dropouts are spaced to 130. I'm having them built at a local shop by a guy who says he's been building wheels for a long time, including his own touring wheels. As Doug pointed out and I should consider, good wheels are an investment, so I guess I'll spring for the Dyads, though I definitely can't find them for $40. I spent a little while looking and couldn't seem to find them for less than ~$60. Anyone got any leads on a good deal?
    Universal Cycles will build the wheels, Dyad 36 spoke rims, 105 hubs, and Wheelsmith DB spokes, for $306.

    Their prices are usually less than you can buy the individual components for, and that includes the wheel building. Their wheel builders build hundreds of wheels a year. However, you have to factor in shipping costs. I live close enough that I just pick them up at the shop. They have excellent customer service. And no, I do not get a commission

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    Quote Originally Posted by sstorkel View Post

    Unfortunately, the Synergy OC is no longer listed on the main Velocity USA website, though they're still be sold in the Velocity store... which may mean that they've been discontinued.
    Sorry to say that it does. I would give the A23OC a second look if you haven't already. It's a light rim, but its proving to be super strong with the triangulated spoke bed and the tubeless web design, which makes for a bit stronger/stiffer sidewall.
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    I'll look into that rim.

    Doug, I'm also doing a dynamo hub in front and already have that wheel. I'm gonna order the parts for the rear wheel and lace it, and the local shop is gonna tension and true it for me for $30. Overall I'll have a nice hand built rear wheel for a little under $150, I think. Thanks for the tip, though. If I didn't already have my plan laid out, Universal would be a great option.
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    Quote Originally Posted by seely View Post
    Sorry to say that it does. I would give the A23OC a second look if you haven't already. It's a light rim, but its proving to be super strong with the triangulated spoke bed and the tubeless web design, which makes for a bit stronger/stiffer sidewall.
    I just bought a set of these laced to new Ultegra 6800 series rims 32 hole for my wifes Cross/touring bike. Got them from Velomine for $249. The same rims on 105 hubs are only $199 set!
    She's very light so even fully loaded including the bike weight she'll be under 200 pounds total. She hasn't ridden them yet but they seem very strong. The only negative is mounting tires is a ***** since these rims can be run tubeless. You need to use very thin rim tape.

    Edit- I just noticed that they also have 36 hole Velocity A23 on Shimano 105 36 holes rims for $219 set.
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    My fans are the Velocity Dyads/Aeroheats…..have one set of each.
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    Mavic cxp-33 or open sports w/ 36 spokes work well for light to medium loads.
    Sun CR-18, great rim for the money as well. Run lots of these over time.

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    A light weight rim that you happen to have on your bike that you take a tour on ..

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    I have 28 spoke Mavic CXP33s on my road bike, which I have taken a couple 40mi rides with ~30lbs on a light rear rack, and they're still straight as can be. I don't know that I'd want to rely on them for out-of-country, far-from-home with possibly a little more weight. I was riding pretty well maintained rail trails. They're also not as wide as I'd want for a touring rim. I think they recommend running up to 700x28c tires or something like that. I think I'm gonna run 38s.

    Still looking for a place to get cheap Dyads. I found down to ~$55 on ebay. Black strongly preferred, but not a must. If anyone knows of anywhere...
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