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Old 04-10-14, 02:26 PM   #101
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Any how riding for charity... the rider supports themselves, the pledges go directly to the Charity being promoted .




Busking , using an entertaining talent , in a public space and passing the hat, has been done, but the era has been closed off ,

now places have auditions for the permit to busk . or its just solicitation and vagrancy charged.
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Old 04-10-14, 06:19 PM   #102
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Beyond politic debate, if you can't afford to feed yourself how the heck are you going to pay for parts/service if your bike breaks down and/or transportation costs (bus/train/plane) back home when you finish your tour? One can scrimp on food on a tour but tubes, tires, chain, etc will add up and as AFAIK bike shops don't accept EBT. To clarify some require a fancy 5 course meal at the end of a 60-100 mile day but generally you can find small town diners where you can get a filling meal real chap

I may be an exception but my first tour has been in the works for the last two years. I've stashed $20 from every paycheck plus took side jobs (repairing cars, handyman projects) to fund this 2-week bike camping tour. I'd rather ride light so I'm choosing to eat out everyday-breakfast and dinner mostly (lunch will consist of granola bars and jerky). I recently learned I'm going to have some company (my 10 yr old [soon to be] stepdaughter) on this tour, the game plan is the same but it's obviously going to cost more than I originally budgeted for to feed her and museum admissions for the two us to see as much as we can for two weeks this summer. I also figured in the cost for the PTNY organized Hudson Valley tour ($870 total) so we'll get catered meals and sag support for the last 200 miles of our trip. Not to mention the two tanks of gas for my fiance's car to drive us to our starting point and pick us up at the end. My budget is about $1500 for this 2 week trip.

For this cost, I'm sure we could just pack into the car and drive the route but I'm still looking forward to riding the bike. I've read journals stating other cyclists riding the entire route for much less but most cook their own meals, and stealth camp
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Old 04-10-14, 06:37 PM   #103
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You betcha Mikey!
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Because of costs I'm considering doing a short tour by bicycle overseas rather than a long tour in the United States.
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Old 04-10-14, 08:34 PM   #105
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Any how riding for charity... the rider supports themselves, the pledges go directly to the Charity being promoted .
seems you missed the sarcasm icon....the mention of riding for charity was a reference to
prior threads where a new troll would say "i wanna ride across the usa, but i donna got
no munny! i'ma gonna ride for charity! any donations not needed for daily necessities
will be donated to "trolls for peace"!
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Old 04-11-14, 04:01 AM   #106
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The best part is that this was obviously a troll. As in the poster came up with an idea both ridiculous and offensive and posted it to inspire a reaction. And pages after that became apparent, a few stalwarts are still defending his ridiculous, offensive plan.
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Old 04-11-14, 08:45 AM   #107
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Generally speaking ..
A lot of riders pass thru here in the summer , person writing for the local paper,( a friend )

finds more notable , writing in her column, about someone not saying they were riding across the US, for some charity.
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OK, BikeForums, I really wasn't expecting this much response. Many of you have accused me of being a troll, partly because I have not returned to the forum until now. I apologize for the delay. And you all brought up some great points about how risky this would be - I AM starting to freak out about touring alone! It'd be almost too stressful to not know where I'll be sleeping on any given night and what challenges I'll face, such as weather and reckless car drivers. I do agree that most touring cyclists fall into two categories: a) charity riders (like the guy I mentioned in my original post), and b) employed people who tour on a bike during their company vacation time.

My Dad is NOT abusive, as one of you suggested, BUT we are starting to argue a lot more and my Mom also says she's tired of me. I wouldn't say I have the worst neighbors in the world; it's just that they're a family with kids and once the weather is nice enough to be outside, they're out there playing basketball ALL afternoon on the weekends and some evenings during the week, taking only short breaks for food/drinks. The ONLY time I'd get a break from them is if it's raining. Otherwise, at least it's quiet in the basement . My Dad is doing just fine, he's NOT dying either. He's just in "recovery" mode and he'll be fine with time.

I now have a pending job offer in China as an ESL teacher, BUT it won't start until late August. What to do till then? I'll try to get my old job back at an amusement park (which, of course, offers seasonal jobs), and if not, then go on a bike tour as originally discussed, but with a limited budget. I once had a colleague who left his job to join the Navy, but did so earlier in order to treat himself to a vacation by hiking a section of the Appalachian Trail before heading off to Navy boot camp. Bottom line, BikeForum readers: If this bike tour happens, it'd be merely something to do before starting my job in China. I may not have another opportunity to do this. I have thousands of dollars in savings, so I'm not broke (sorry if my post made it sound that way). I'm not a troll, but I AM a very "inconsistent" person. For instance, at a steak dinner a couple of weeks ago, I ordered a vegetarian meal because I didn't want to "eat an innocent animal." But last night for dinner at a restaurant, I ordered steak! So, this means, some days I think to myself, "I'm definitely going to do this bike tour!" and then the next day, I'll think, "Um, this sounds very risky. Maybe not." Whatever happens will happen, I guess.
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Old 04-12-14, 05:32 PM   #109
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One thing that poses a huge threat to the economy is student loan debt. People didn't save for college, took on tons of debt to pay for it, didn't realize it can't be discharged even in bankruptcy in the vast majority of cases, and can't find a job that can pay their ongoing expenses plus service their college debt. This is the kind of thing that happens when people fail to plan and in some cases, we can all pay the price for it.
Since this thread is destined for P&R anyway, I might as well take this one on.

You must be young. The college debt issue is not due to hordes of families failing to plan for reasonable college expenses. It's due to the fact that once the Boomers were done with college, their parents voted in "tax revolt" measures that effectively unfunded public schools, state universities and college aid. Senator Al Franken went to Harvard, where he met his wife. She was from a family of extremely limited means. She could afford to go to Harvard in large part because federal grants picked up almost all of the cost. When I attended the University of California, a student could graduate with money in the bank by working ten hours per week at student wages; today's students couldn't do that if they worked 100 hours per week.

This change from grants and tax expenditures to loans to fund education took less a generation to occur. When someone gets caught up such a rapidly-forming tempest, it's tough to blame them. By the way, college loans can be discharged in bankruptcy, but it requires evidence that the debtor does not have and is unlikely to ever achieve the means to pay them back. It's a difficult standard to meet, but it has been done.
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