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Old 04-14-14, 04:35 PM   #26
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i doubt if very many people can offer useful insight as regards a bike tour with a 10 year old.
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Mike ... have you and your 10-year old daughter (?) done an overnight tour? If so, how did that go? If not ... plan to do something like that soon. Cycle out to a campground approx. 25 or maybe even 30 miles away, camp overnight, and return home. See how something like that works.
Not yet, we have one planned early next month, a loaded 50 miles to a campground and back in 2 days. As for your other question in regards to the distance she's ridden, she's rode up to 50 miles at a comfortable pace (12-13 mph). Back to our tour, the plan was to ride UP TO 60 miles a day, there are gaps in the trail where there won't be nothing to see, while there's spots where there could be many things to see. Most days we're only riding roughly 30 miles. Also when I said I've been planning this tour for 2 years, I was including time I spent conditioning to be able to physically ride long distances as well as make the trip financially.
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Old 04-15-14, 05:47 AM   #27
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Not yet, we have one planned early next month, a loaded 50 miles to a campground and back in 2 days. As for your other question in regards to the distance she's ridden, she's rode up to 50 miles at a comfortable pace (12-13 mph). Back to our tour, the plan was to ride UP TO 60 miles a day, there are gaps in the trail where there won't be nothing to see, while there's spots where there could be many things to see. Most days we're only riding roughly 30 miles. Also when I said I've been planning this tour for 2 years, I was including time I spent conditioning to be able to physically ride long distances as well as make the trip financially.
Good. And the practice tour will sort out any issues.
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Good. And the practice tour will sort out any issues.
Thanks, I figured it would.
This thread wasn't created to discuss my tour plans though, I was just trying to get a consensus on how much planning is considered too much. Like I said, I wasn't planning to do any planning outside of having a ride to the starting point and a ride back from the end, it was going to be a get on and ride each day for a week. Now that I have the company of a child I don't want to risk getting lost in the middle of nowhere with her as we're trying to find the trail in between towns. On the other hand if I made a schedule for every day, one issue could derail that and put us in "panic" mode to get to our campground in time. As you see I tend to over think everything, instead of just using the trail Guidebook on the go I feel I need to have 6 different maps and a itinerary for every waking moment on tour.
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I can't remember the exact quote, but didn't some famous general say, "Plans mean nothing, but planning is everything?"

IMHO it's worth it to plan attractions (your museums) and re-supply points. It's worth it to figure out how you'll get out of the middle of nowhere if a bike breaks. Until you have a lot more experience, play around with detailed itineraries but don't commit to them. Unless you're touring out west, forget about sticking to a plan on where you'll camp every night (things change when there's only one good source of water every 40-80 miles!). Be ready to do 75 miles on the day you have a fantastic tail wind, and be ready to bail early on the day when the rain is in your face.

Plan until it's time to pack. Pack until it's time to leave. Enjoy the ride while it lasts.
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Old 04-15-14, 01:41 PM   #30
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On the other hand if I made a schedule for every day, one issue could derail that and put us in "panic" mode to get to our campground in time.
I don't necessarily equate planning with having a schedule for each day. Instead I view my planning as expanding my options - so that in the morning we can look at the weather, have time for mechanical issues and adjust - while having several options. One might be 25 miles, one might be 50 and one could be 75 - but I try not to decide until that day. So I might have done some planning to develop these options without nailing any single one down.
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Technically I never stop planning a tour. I am always thinking about some place I might like to go, how I can bring my gear down to more minimal lighter weight levels, becoming a better cyclist and stuff like that.

Granted I don't go too crazy even though it sounds like it. Really most of the time is not spent on anything specific and is just very general. I probably take about a month to plan a specific tour, get my gear in order and all of that jazz.
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I enjoy planning. Generally I credit card tour, camping if distances aren't fun. I did a 3,500 mile trip cross the norther US, into Canada and back. I usually plan with ACA maps if it is on their routes. I like TopoUSA for non ACA covered places. I do it in layers. First general guesses at comfortable distances and elevation gains with where to stay in mind, then more detailed and specific. I like to be able to get up in the morning take a look at my plan, what is on the way, the weather, and then enjoy myself. I don't like running into a 4,000' mountain pass that I wasn't psychologically prepared for. To me, having the route marked out makes the journey much more fun. Planning is fun too, you get to explore places in theory... then see how they turn out. But it is basically your personality.
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