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    Selle Anatomica NSX, but which leather

    I posted over in C&V but thought the Touring folks might also have some insight.

    My beat up Japanese leather saddle, which I acquired on ebay 8 years ago and which came off an 80s Raleigh, has given up the ghost with a cracked cantle.

    As you can see in the attached picture of said crack, one great thing about the saddle is the ample setback the rails afford (although I suspect the rail configuration partly explains the crack). So to avoid having to also get a new seatpost with more setback than my Thomson with 16mm of setback provides, I am going with a Selle Anatomica NSX (the kind without the cut out) A previous thread -- Selle Anatomica Truleather or Watershed? -- sort of addressed the issue of the difference between SAs two leathers, watershed being softer, Truleather being stiffer, but left question of relative durability unresolved. I keep reading that watershed stretches but is more comfortable and Truleather is more durable (which is what SA website says) I am inclined toward durability but the specific color/rivet combo I want is not available in Truleather, so would go watershed if not for the whole issue of limited durability. Any recs or views from personal experience with the two leathers would be appreciated.
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    I weigh 180lbs and the Titanico X (with cutout) in true leather is GREAT! I've talked to lighter riders and they all have preferred the true leather. Fact is...... I bought mine two day before a 4 day loaded tour and it was very comfortable right out of the box. Bought the black with kind of grey rivets (the name fails me). I had heard too many stories about the watershed stretching too much. It is by far the most comfortable saddle I have used. Since yours will be the NSX my experience may not help much. Been riding seriously for 40+ years and have used a lot of saddles. My 2 cents.

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    I would call Selle Anatomica up and ask. I called before I bought a saddle from them (2 actually) for the exact same reason and the people handling customer service know the product and will ask you relevant questions and help you figure out what you would be most happy with.
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    I'm 150 lbs. and use a titanico with watershed leather. I've got about 5K miles on it at this point. Stretching was common early on. Now I give it a minor tweak every few weeks or so. I'm delighted with the product.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cyclosaurus View Post
    I would call Selle Anatomica up and ask. I called before I bought a saddle from them (2 actually) for the exact same reason and the people handling customer service know the product and will ask you relevant questions and help you figure out what you would be most happy with.
    I should probably call them. I am in mid email exchange with a sales rep that hasn't helped. While we seem to have resolved that NSX is way to go for me, when I asked about relative durability and stretch between watershed and Truleather, he told me durability was the same even though the video on the website says Truleather is more durable and less prone to,stretch. If "more durable" means Truleather lasts as long as a Brooks (i.e until I am old and decrepit) and watershed lasts 20 years, I would be fine with watershed. But at 210 lbs, if with watershed I am looking at constant retensioning and running out of tension bolt in a few years, then I want the truleather. As I said, I probably would have already bought the Truleather version, but was hoping to save a few bucks on one of the ones they have on clearance (99.00) but the color and rivet combo,I prefer is only available in watershed. So basically I am choosing between the leather think is best match and the style I want. Probably I will go with function over style preference.
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    Selle Anatomica NSX, but which leather...update

    Well I haven't talked to them on the phone due to time differences and constraints, but email exchanges continue. They are saying now that durability difference between Truleather and watershed are marginal at best so now am thinking I will just get watershed in style I want, although I haven't quite made that decision yet, still not fully able to let go of nagging feeling that there might be something to all the online posts indicating watershed stretches considerably more than Truleather. Here is what SA is saying g...

    We originally made the TruLeather to make stronger (stiffer) and longer lasting. This isn't the case now. We found out through several miles, that TruLeather will last just as long as Watershed and visa versa. If you were to feel both saddles, they are practically the same in stiffness (my personal experience). You would actually have to get a tool to measure the resistance, then you could tell TruLeather is slightly stiffer at best.
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    I have a Watershed leather and while it was instantly comfortable, I believe it stretches far too much. Watershed is a chrome-tanned leather which always tends to be more supple feeling, but if I had it to do again I'd get the other type of leather which is a veg-tanned leather. It'd be a bit stiffer but I feel like it would stretch less over time, same as a Brooks.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DOS View Post
    Well I haven't talked to them on the phone due to time differences and constraints, but email exchanges continue. They are saying now that durability difference between Truleather and watershed are marginal at best so now am thinking I will just get watershed in style I want, although I haven't quite made that decision yet, still not fully able to let go of nagging feeling that there might be something to all the online posts indicating watershed stretches considerably more than Truleather. Here is what SA is saying g...

    We originally made the TruLeather to make stronger (stiffer) and longer lasting. This isn't the case now. We found out through several miles, that TruLeather will last just as long as Watershed and visa versa. If you were to feel both saddles, they are practically the same in stiffness (my personal experience). You would actually have to get a tool to measure the resistance, then you could tell TruLeather is slightly stiffer at best.
    I'm not convinced that the leather is a critical factor in the stretching at all. But maybe I don't understand the construction. My Selle Aatomica has WatherShed. But turn the saddle upside down and you see that the leather is apparently a very thin piece of material that is attached to some kind of synthetic base layer that seems to be anything but leather.

    Does anybody have a good understanding of what the saddle is really made of?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Walter S View Post
    I'm not convinced that the leather is a critical factor in the stretching at all. But maybe I don't understand the construction. My Selle Aatomica has WatherShed. But turn the saddle upside down and you see that the leather is apparently a very thin piece of material that is attached to some kind of synthetic base layer that seems to be anything but leather.

    Does anybody have a good understanding of what the saddle is really made of?
    From everything I have read, the saddles are 100% leather but, besides different tanning approaches between watershed and Truleather, the undersides of the various models are laminated differently. The T series have one laminate layer while the x have two to add stiffness. The website addresses laminates in a couple of places..here -- Design | Selle Anatomica and here Laminates | Selle Anatomica.

    I read somewhere a quote from a company spokes person that all the laminate layers and the top are all leather but I can't remember where I saw that. Perhaps the epoxy they use between layers gives the underside a synthetic look?
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    Quote Originally Posted by DOS View Post
    Well I haven't talked to them on the phone due to time differences and constraints, but email exchanges continue. They are saying now that durability difference between Truleather and watershed are marginal at best so now am thinking I will just get watershed in style I want, although I haven't quite made that decision yet, still not fully able to let go of nagging feeling that there might be something to all the online posts indicating watershed stretches considerably more than Truleather.
    fwiw I have watershed. New last fall. I have about 4k miles on mine. I was concerned about a lot of stretching right at first, but I've since learned to expect that. Right during the first couple weeks I was adjusting the tension frequently - every ride at first. Now I give it a quarter turn perhaps every few weeks (about 150 miles/week) and based on the trend I expect this to become less frequent too. Hopefully anyway - I have about 1/2 inch of threads left to work with.

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    I own several SA saddles, and each one is different. Even though I weigh 195-200 pounds, I prefer the watershed non-X models. Everyone is different, however, so your best bet is to talk to the folks at SA and follow their recommendation.
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    truleather without the hole with the clyde laminate reinforcing would be one way to go .

    Epoxy is a hard cured resin I doubt they used that ..

    why not just get a C17 instead?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Walter S View Post
    fwiw I have watershed. New last fall. I have about 4k miles on mine. I was concerned about a lot of stretching right at first, but I've since learned to expect that. Right during the first couple weeks I was adjusting the tension frequently - every ride at first. Now I give it a quarter turn perhaps every few weeks (about 150 miles/week) and based on the trend I expect this to become less frequent too. Hopefully anyway - I have about 1/2 inch of threads left to work with.
    Is yours the version with or without the cutout? I was leaning toward watershed figuring NSX without cutout might be stiffer and less prone to,stretch than watershed with cutout. Having to adjust tension as often as you have would bug me. But I really rather not get copper rivets, which granted is totally cosmetic but I just prefer the look of the gunmetal rivets.
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    Quote Originally Posted by fietsbob View Post
    truleather without the hole with the clyde laminate reinforcing would be one way to goQUOTE]

    This is the way I want to go but it is unavailable in color/rivet combo and price I want. I can get style I want for full price, which I am unwilling to pay. I can get rivets I want in watershed or truleather I want with copper rivets, which I don't want. I am trying to convince myself that watershed will be ok in NSX version because of lack of cutout so I can have the rivets I want but the stretch issue keeps,coming up

    QUOTE]Epoxy is a hard cured resin I doubt they used that ..QUOTE]

    Sorry, glue or whatever the technical term is for sticky crap people use to stick laminate layers together.

    QUOTE]why not just get a C17 instead?
    A rubber saddle...I don't think so.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DOS View Post
    Is yours the version with or without the cutout? I was leaning toward watershed figuring NSX without cutout might be stiffer and less prone to,stretch than watershed with cutout. Having to adjust tension as often as you have would bug me. But I really rather not get copper rivets, which granted is totally cosmetic but I just prefer the look of the gunmetal rivets.
    Sorry. I just realized I'm off topic. Mine is T-series.

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    I took the plunge on the saddle. I bought NSX in black Truleather, settling for copper rivets. I could have gotten the gunmetal rivets I preferred in watershed but I figure I hardly ever see the rivets, what with my arse being on them, and all the stories I'd seen about needing to retension watershed a lot put me off. While I still suspect that watershed in NSX would be less prone to stretch than other models because there is no cutout, the prospect of having to frequently retension the leather and reduced durability relative to Truleather was bothering me more than the prospect of copper rivets (which, by the way, I generally like, I just didn't think they're were quite the right look for the particular bike the saddle will go on). Anyway, I got a really good price on overstock 2013 model from the website TheClymb.com. Priced at 109.99, I had a 25% off coupon so got saddle including shipping for $90.00.
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