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Old 06-05-14, 06:58 PM   #1
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Any recommendations for racks and fenders for Surly Disc Trucker?

Just got my first touring bike, a 42 Surly Disc Trucker, looking for ideas for fenders and racks. planning to start with touring segments of pacific cascade route, I have Ortlieb classic roller bags front and back. Any suggestions would be appreciated, I know there are a lot of Surly fans and experts out here. Thank you for your time.
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SKS AND Tubus.
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Tubus pannier racks and Velo Orange small flat rack like a Pass Hunter front rack to compliment the Tubus.
I'm a big fan of Gilles Berthoud fenders.

This guys bike here inspired me with regards the above:
http://s18.photobucket.com/user/e_merlin/library/LHT?sort=3&page=1

http://s18.photobucket.com/user/e_me...tml?sort=3&o=3


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The set up on my Ogre is both lighter and can carry more weight than whats offered by the Surly Nice racks, not to mention being rust free and with no paint to scratch.

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I use a Nitto Big Back Rack, and a VO Porteur Rack with Woody's fenders

Here are some photos:
https://www.dropbox.com/s/skbbc2mid3...%2029%20PM.jpg
https://www.dropbox.com/s/1sa5ktifdn...%2019%20PM.jpg
https://www.dropbox.com/s/xtw60sc7d6...%2009%20PM.jpg
https://www.dropbox.com/s/zpu18ggnyi...%2000%20PM.jpg

And my old bike with a similar setup:
https://www.dropbox.com/s/8tp5fvhfi1...%2054%20PM.jpg
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Great photos, beautiful bike, thanks for the response.
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Nice bike! Thanks for the photos.
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Old 06-08-14, 10:55 AM   #8
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I'm leaning toward the Tubus, I think. Still don't have a good feel for what i want in fenders.
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Old 06-08-14, 10:58 AM   #9
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For fenders, I've used SKS and Planet Bike.
Both are good.
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Velo Orange or Berthoud for fenders.

I have the Velo Orange Zepplin's on my Disk Trucker (56cm frame/700c wheel). They are GREAT. If you are good with tools and making things you can do them yourself. I had the local bike shop order them in, along with tires, and they were more than welcoming for me to sit there in the shop and install it all - took about an hour to match up the fenders well enough to test fit (put them on without cutting/drilling to check clearances before taking home - full install details below). My concern was frame and tire clearance with the fenders. My situation may, or may not, be unique - I have rough roads where I am and I found the 37mm wide stock tire to be a bit too rough - I couldn't air them down much to soften the ride. So I got 42's instead - much better and less risk of bottoming out the rim.

Being a 42cm frame, your bike has the 26" wheels. You should have a lot of good options for fenders in that size. One big piece of advice I can pass on is to get stainless steel fenders. By the time your first set of plastic/poly fenders breaks and you end up replacing them you will wish you had spent a little more up front for the stainless ones.

I wasn't much of a fan of the Zepplin fenders because I didn't like the style, but I will tell you that they are tough and I am glad I have them, as opposed to a contoured smooth fender like the Berthouds. I caught a stick a few weeks back that wrapped right up in the spokes of my front wheel. It almost threw me off the bike, I wasn't expecting it and I was riding with my palms resting on the handlebars - my thumbs weren't wrapped around the bar. I immediately stopped to check things out. I figured I had broken spokes after the impact. When I was on the ride I didn't notice any fender damage, all I looked for was spoke damage. When I got home I found what happened to the fender - the stick that got wrapped up in the spokes jammed against the stays in the rear, pushing in the stays and pushing the fender up nearly buckling the fender. The Zepplin stayed rigid with its corrugations and rolled edges. I bent the stays back and have been riding like that fine ever since. When I get some time I will take the wheel off and see if I can work out the deformation in the fender. Nothing is creased or buckled so it should be a real easy job.

The fenders will take some work to install - they are a very customized fit, you can't just take a fender out of the box, slap it on, and away you go. Mine required a lot of tweaking to get the angles right and line up with the tires right. Don't skimp on the mounts. The rear fender needs the stays, the frame bolt at the bottom bracket, AND the frame bolt on the top with the angle adapter. The top bolt/angle adapter requires drilling the hole, but you have to pay close attention to where you are drilling as it will affect the line-up of the fender - also you may want to drill through the top side down, vs. inside out - you may end up with a more round hole, my drill bit walked a bit when I went through the inside = not a round hole. Another note is the front fender. I bought a 1/4"x20 stainless bolt and lock nut from Lowes that passed through the bottom of the fork (you will see what I mean when you look at yours - has a star pattern flat around the hole to lock on to a reflector mount). There is a bolt with a hole in the top that will fit the 1/4" bolt. The one in the kit attaches to the top of the fender and the one I got from lowes passes through the hole in the fork. The large flat washer that came with the kit I used on top of the front fender - and I coated it with about 3-4 layers of electric tape to insulate it from the fork frame (keep the paint in tact and rattling down). It works great. In regards to the stays - measure twice, or 3 times, cut ONCE. Put the fenders on as a mock-up and use the frame clips as a guide for where to cut the stays. If anything, cut the stays 1/8" to 1/4" longer than you think you need. When you put them on for good you can use the angle of the stays to adjust the tire clearance (push the rear stays up at an angle = some spring force to push up on the back of the fender = tilts the rear of the rear fender away from the tire some).

I don't have any comments on commercial fenders. I have a cheap solid steel one (steel wire, not tube) from Amazon for now. I am going to work on making my own racks here when I get time. 10mm diameter tubing racks seem to be the better ones. I got .405" OD tube, just a hair over 10mm.

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Note : If you want to use a Bus , with the front Rack on the bus , for bikes ..

They usually hold down the bike by the top of the front tire ,

with a mudguard that wraps forward of the top of the wheel ,

the hook will press down on the Mudguard , not the wheel.
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VO Zeppelin fenders. as KC8QVO said, they take a little bit of work but will last forever.

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Note : If you want to use a Bus , with the front Rack on the bus , for bikes ..

They usually hold down the bike by the top of the front tire ,

with a mudguard that wraps forward of the top of the wheel ,

the hook will press down on the Mudguard , not the wheel.
To resolve the fender issue I just cut the front of the fender off at the fork crown. It's a small compromise that only really causes problems riding into a strong headwind in a driving rain. the rest of the time it works fine. Tubus Duo is a great rack to use that also accommodates transit racks without issue.
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VO Zeppelin fenders. as KC8QVO said, they take a little bit of work but will last forever.
my set of SKS mudguards I bought in the 70's, and have been there ever since,
are still in fine shape.. ..

the bus rack hook will pull over the hoop of a low rider rack too ,

its just the tip of the mudguard that will get pushed onto the tire, will it work , as a repeated use , is unknown




I ran my front mudguard far enough forward , (actually, a 2nd rear) and attached it to the low rider hoop.

Then I noted the situation.. ... just thought I'd share my observation.

Note, no safety breakaway strut fitting on those(ala VO) type of mudguards ..
sticks can jam in the space , bend the strut and stop the wheel turning.

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Just got my first touring bike, a 42 Surly Disc Trucker.

26" wheels? I prefer top loaded front racks on 26" bikes instead of low riders as they put the panniers really low, although handling is great I find they scrape curbs easily. I'd rather have a front rack and shift the panniers as far back on the forks as practical. That leaves the option of more gear on the top of the rack. SKS or Planet Bike fenders. I don't see any advantage to metal fenders except more noise and less tolerance to bending multiple times.
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the set up on my ogre is both lighter and can carry more weight than whats offered by the surly nice racks, not to mention being rust free and with no paint to scratch.

i love this photo!!!
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i love this photo!!!
Thanks you.
I'm finding the bike very practical.
I'm hopeful the stainless fittings will keep it looking nice for a while yet.
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Thanks you.
I'm finding the bike very practical.
I'm hopeful the stainless fittings will keep it looking nice for a while yet.
Any special modification required of the rack to mount it to the bike? Also, what size tires are on that bad boy!
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Any special modification required of the rack to mount it to the bike? Also, what size tires are on that bad boy!
G'day Lurch,
yes! I had to get the rear stay, that goes into the fork crown hole, moved.
The Ogre has suspension corrected forks which the Hunter Pass Rack (Velo Orange) isn't designed for.
I didn't know this when I ordered it and it cost me more than the purchase price to get it done as I'm new to my area and didn't know a friendly stainless wielder.
If I was buying again, I'd be likely steering toward their other version:
VO Randonneur Front Rack - Racks - Racks & Decaleurs - Accessories
I believe this could be made to work without cutting and pasting

As for tires, I'm currently running 2 inch wide Schwalbe Mondials in 50-622 at approx 40 psi (as per the above photo).
If the touring is pure tarmac I run 2 inch Schwalbe Supremes in 50-622 but would consider something skinnier down to about 35-622
For around town commuting I utilise a fatter Schwalbe Big Apple of 2.35 inch or 60-622.

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I am currently running a Surly Nice Rack in the rear and Planet Bike Cascadia Fenders (wider than I would like but more coverage isn't a bad thing) and my plan is to get a Tubus Duo rack in the front. The VO fenders look real nice but I would rather be more practically minded especially for touring. My thoughts initially were for wooden or the VO hammered fenders but luckily the folks I work with steered me in a better direction. Sure not as nice looking but they work better and are designed in case things go wrong so your wheel isn't totally fudged
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I know I'm bumping an old thread, but I'm having a little bit of an issue fitting SKS P55 on the front. I have a Tubus Tara and a 26" 52cm Disc Trucker. Rack fits fine and mounted to the rear eyelet on the fork, but I'm trying to figure out the best placement for the fender struts on SKS P55. If I mount them off the rear Tara eyelet (which is meant for the fenders), I have to add a few spacers to clear the brake, and when I do that, it puts the fender hardware into the back of the pannier. I'm pretty sure on a tour that it would wear through the back of my Ortlieb fabric in short order. One other mount option is up in the Tara holes that attach to the mid fork eyelet, with lots of bending of the struts.

Can others share how they mount their struts on the brake side of the fork? These P55s are a pain to mount as it is!
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Ortlieb has a Plastic Back Panel on the 3 pair of Panniers I Own..

Ask a shop to help you LA obviously has a Hundred .

I dont own a fancy digital Phone to sent you lessons ,, Try Google.
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Ortlieb has a Plastic Back Panel on the 3 pair of Panniers I Own..

Ask a shop to help you LA obviously has a Hundred .

I dont own a fancy digital Phone to sent you lessons ,, Try Google.
My Ortliebs have the plastic panel on the inside. They are from 2015. My older ones have the panel on the outside. It is a legitimate concern.

Your answer was a little on the snarky side. I built the entire bike and I don't need to ask a shop. I was asking for advice, not "lessons."

I'm likely going to mount up by the mid-fork eyelet. Take care.
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After seeing some other people's solutions, for posterity, here is what I ended up doing: mounting up to the inside of the the rearmost hole of the Tubus Tara fork center mount arm, with some creative bends in the v-stays. It works very well and does not interfere with any panniers (though the nut on the back is very close to the fork so you might want to put a small paint protection sticker):




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No reason why You could not have used the same bolt that holds the rack on the fork to hold your Mudguard strut.

Stacking it behind the Rack Tab .. It As the Spacer ..
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No reason why You could not have used the same bolt that holds the rack on the fork to hold your Mudguard strut.
I considered that option as well. But it would have put the v-stays and the plastic safety release very close or in the way of the Ortlieb clip if I wanted to position it at the very rear of the rack. In practice it would have worked fine by just not putting the clip in that position, but I had already installed the rack with thread locker and this was a faster solution that also allowed full use of the whole rack rail.

Edit: Also allows for easier removal of the fender without removing the rack.
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