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    Surly LHT & Greenfield rear kickstand

    Has anyone successfully mounted and used a Greenfield rear kickstand to a LHT?
    I have read Surly's position on this and am inclined to do it anyway. I am not opposed to filing on the rear spoke holder. Just wondering if others have done it and their experiences. I have been using one of these for a decade on an older Rockhopper and find it very useful.
    PLEASE don't bother to tell me I don't need a kickstand, to just lean my bike on something.

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    I don't know if it was a Greenfield or not but there is a photo on crazyguy of very clear LHT frame damage from a kickstand. This person is replacing their frame mid tour.

    I have a click-stand that I use when there is nothing to lean my bike on. When there is something to lean my bike on I do this and use the brake bands to secure the brakes. This is just what works for me, not suggesting you do it...

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    I see bikes after crossing the country (box them up and ship them home) , consider a rear Triangle mounted stand.

    obviously N/A if you got the disc model..

    the people who sent the specs to the TW factory making Surly's stuff.. dont like Kickstands ,

    you have to buy in with their choice . when you buy their stuff..

    The Swiss (site removed brand , for some reason) KS have a padded upper clamp, but nothing special with the bottom .

    Soma went to the same factories , but they apparently spec'd a KS Plate.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mm718 View Post
    I don't know if it was a Greenfield or not but there is a photo on crazyguy of very clear LHT frame damage from a kickstand. This person is replacing their frame mid tour.

    I have a click-stand that I use when there is nothing to lean my bike on. When there is something to lean my bike on I do this and use the brake bands to secure the brakes. This is just what works for me, not suggesting you do it...
    i have seen a number of pictures of damage caused by center mounted kick stands. I am not interested in those they don't work well enough for me and wouldn't mount one on a bike without a plate for it. I have considered click stand but use my bike for shopping and touring and they seem to be to much hassle. If I can't find someone who has used a rear triangle mount then I will move to another brand, it's just that I already have 26" wheels and would like to keep them.
    Thanks for your response.

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    Quote Originally Posted by fietsbob View Post
    I see bikes after crossing the country (box them up and ship them home) , consider a rear Triangle mounted stand.

    obviously N/A if you got the disc model..

    the people who sent the specs to the TW factory making Surly's stuff.. dont like Kickstands ,

    you have to buy in with their choice . when you buy their stuff..

    The Swiss (site removed brand , for some reason) KS have a padded upper clamp, but nothing special with the bottom .

    Soma went to the same factories , but they apparently spec'd a KS Plate.
    Thanks for your response the greenfield I am talking about is a rear triangle mount called the rear stabilizer or something like that

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    Need help putting it on? (try LBS) they adapt their regular KS , which bolts onto it (sold together), so if you break the leg

    there is a simple 1 bolt connection to replace it.

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    [QUOTE=fietsbob;16850859]Need help putting it on? (try LBS) they adapt their regular KS , which bolts onto it (sold together), so if you break the leg

    there is a simple 1 bolt connection to replace it.[/QUOTE
    Thanks Fietsbob did not know that

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    The frame damage that people talk about is only relevant for kickstands which mount just behind the bottom bracket. The issue is that the chainstays are often quite thin walled there, and so the clamping that is required to mount the kickstand can easily dent the chainstay. This is a non-issue if you're mounting the kickstand on the rear triangle (by the hub), because the chainstay and seatstay are much stronger (they are smaller in diameter and you don't use the same kind of clamping force). The Greenfield rear kickstand is my favorite, it works wonderfully... if you can get it to fit. The three possible obstacles are generally disk brakes, or the rearward spoke holder on the chainstay, or some frames have a small diagonal strut located right where the Greenfield clamp wants to go. I had the spoke holder on my Rocky Mountain Sherpa. It's located in pretty much the same position as the LHT. I used a dremel to remove the spoke holder. This worked, but you do need to be very careful with the dremel, because it's spinning fast and very easy to let it slip and gauge the paintwork around where you are working. As long as you're careful, there's no reason not to take the spoke holder off, in my opinion. It doesn't weaken the frame at all, because the spoke holder is just brazed on. You don't need to remove the whole base of the holder, just the bit that sticks up. I guess you could probably use a metal saw too, though I didn't try that. Afterward you will probably want to prime and touch up the bare metal with some sort of enamel paint in order to prevent rust. I then also wrapped it with electrical tape for extra protection. I was able to fit the Greenfield after that. Here's a pic below showing the bike. Unfortunately I sold the Sherpa after I got my custom Co-Motion Americano, so I can't show you anything more close-up, sorry - but this is just to let you know that it is certainly doable, if you're willing to hack the bike a bit.

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    I forget the exact complications, but I wasn't able to fit a Greenfield to my LHT and ended up returning it. I read about an improvised mounting though, which needs a trip to Home Depot. I use a click-stand. It's incredibly quick to setup, but not very stable if you have only have rear panniers. The front wheel has tendency to swing one side and make the bike tip over, a wheel stabilizer spring might help.

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    Quote Originally Posted by aoeuaoeu View Post
    ...I use a click-stand. It's incredibly quick to setup, but not very stable if you have only have rear panniers. The front wheel has tendency to swing one side and make the bike tip over, a wheel stabilizer spring might help.
    Do you use the little shock cord on your brake lever? I find that helps.

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    so will a thick-ish rubber band hooked over the front valve stem ... twice ... going around the downtube .


    The guy who said that it wouldn't fit, did uou make an effort to buy longer bolts if the include ones were not perfect.. or did that come to mind?
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    I like the( click stand ), it serves the purpose of a kick stand, but is different.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NeilGunton View Post
    The frame damage that people talk about is only relevant for kickstands which mount just behind the bottom bracket. The issue is that the chainstays are often quite thin walled there, and so the clamping that is required to mount the kickstand can easily dent the chainstay. This is a non-issue if you're mounting the kickstand on the rear triangle (by the hub), because the chainstay and seatstay are much stronger (they are smaller in diameter and you don't use the same kind of clamping force). The Greenfield rear kickstand is my favorite, it works wonderfully... if you can get it to fit. The three possible obstacles are generally disk brakes, or the rearward spoke holder on the chainstay, or some frames have a small diagonal strut located right where the Greenfield clamp wants to go. I had the spoke holder on my Rocky Mountain Sherpa. It's located in pretty much the same position as the LHT. I used a dremel to remove the spoke holder. This worked, but you do need to be very careful with the dremel, because it's spinning fast and very easy to let it slip and gauge the paintwork around where you are working. As long as you're careful, there's no reason not to take the spoke holder off, in my opinion. It doesn't weaken the frame at all, because the spoke holder is just brazed on. You don't need to remove the whole base of the holder, just the bit that sticks up. I guess you could probably use a metal saw too, though I didn't try that. Afterward you will probably want to prime and touch up the bare metal with some sort of enamel paint in order to prevent rust. I then also wrapped it with electrical tape for extra protection. I was able to fit the Greenfield after that. Here's a pic below showing the bike. Unfortunately I sold the Sherpa after I got my custom Co-Motion Americano, so I can't show you anything more close-up, sorry - but this is just to let you know that it is certainly doable, if you're willing to hack the bike a bit.

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    Thanks Neil that is exactly what I wanted to know. I am perfectly willing to remove spoke holder.

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    Quote Originally Posted by aoeuaoeu View Post
    I forget the exact complications, but I wasn't able to fit a Greenfield to my LHT and ended up returning it. I read about an improvised mounting though, which needs a trip to Home Depot. I use a click-stand. It's incredibly quick to setup, but not very stable if you have only have rear panniers. The front wheel has tendency to swing one side and make the bike tip over, a wheel stabilizer spring might help.
    Thanks for your response the pictures of the improvised mount were very helpful, looks like the spoke holder was their problem also, the spoke holder sits where the bolt needs to go across the top of the chain stay. Their improvisation looks like it would work ok also and doesn't require grinding spoke holder off.

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    Spoke holder is kind of A gimmick .. if it was on the right side at least it would take the chain slap ..

    Touring ... you have Panniers to pack those spare spokes into ..

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    Quote Originally Posted by Baboo View Post
    PLEASE don't bother to tell me I don't need a kickstand, to just lean my bike on something.
    I will bother, sorry. Why are you so determined to have a kickstand? The first tour I did, I had a kickstand on my bike. It turned out to be pretty much useless on a loaded touring bike. I abandoned the kickstand on subsequent trips. And that's not even getting into the question of why you think it's a good idea to disregard to recommendations of the people who manufactured the frame - you know, the experts.

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    Quote Originally Posted by grolby View Post
    I will bother, sorry. Why are you so determined to have a kickstand? The first tour I did, I had a kickstand on my bike. It turned out to be pretty much useless on a loaded touring bike. I abandoned the kickstand on subsequent trips. And that's not even getting into the question of why you think it's a good idea to disregard to recommendations of the people who manufactured the frame - you know, the experts.
    This is not my first touring bike or first tour. I have been touring since 1996 on several different bikes. I have not had the difficulty you describe with kickstands but I have always used the rear triangle kickstands. My bike is used for things other than touring and although you don't see the convince of kickstands many others do. The "experts" are talking about center mounted kickstands, you know the type mounting to the triangle by the bottom bracket, that is not what is being talked about in this thread. Thank you for your response.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Baboo View Post
    This is not my first touring bike or first tour. I have been touring since 1996 on several different bikes. I have not had the difficulty you describe with kickstands but I have always used the rear triangle kickstands. My bike is used for things other than touring and although you don't see the convince of kickstands many others do. The "experts" are talking about center mounted kickstands, you know the type mounting to the triangle by the bottom bracket, that is not what is being talked about in this thread. Thank you for your response.
    I'm not anti-kickstand. Clearly you have everything under control.

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    Quote Originally Posted by fietsbob View Post
    Spoke holder is kind of A gimmick .. if it was on the right side at least it would take the chain slap ..

    Touring ... you have Panniers to pack those spare spokes into ..
    I like em inside my handlebars.
    Course its just as well I didn't go for drops (racing style bars).

    I utilised a Greenfield on my Moulton APB (now sold) and mostly loved it.


    I use a Clik-Stand
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    with my Surly Ogre due to my rear disk brake eliminating use of the Greenfield.
    Not really up to the job fully loaded but perhaps I've too much onboard.
    Having just invested in an Extrawheel trailer, it'll be interesting to see if the weight dispersal improves things at all.
    I use an occy strap (elasticated with hooks) to hold the front wheel straight but its a PITA
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    Quote Originally Posted by grolby View Post
    The first tour I did, I had a kickstand on my bike. It turned out to be pretty much useless on a loaded touring bike. I abandoned the kickstand on subsequent trips. .
    Why would a kickstand be useless on a touring bike? I think the problem might have been the actual kickstand that you used. I can't think of a bike that needs a kickstand more than a loaded touring bike.

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    +1 on the click-stand. I used mine with my LHT and now with my Troll. The brake bands are great to just about any time you prop your bike up and the stand works well even when the bike is fully loaded.

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    Quote Originally Posted by grolby View Post
    I'm not anti-kickstand. Clearly you have everything under control.
    Hi I want to apologize for sounding snarky. I got to thinking about what you said , and remembered I toured with a neighbor last year on the GAP & C O canal trai. He used a center mount kickstand with only 2 rear panniers and tent strapped to rear rack, your right it was a pain, many times I had to hold up his bike while he took pictures. The weight distribution was too much for the configuration of the stand.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ozfreeloader View Post
    +1 on the click-stand. I used mine with my LHT and now with my Troll. The brake bands are great to just about any time you prop your bike up and the stand works well even when the bike is fully loaded.

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    Seems a lot of people like this stand. I may rethink my choice on then stand thing. Does it take long to deploy and are the bands really necessary to the operation, cause I can see loosing those?

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    I never thought of putting them inside the handlebars! Good idea!

    Quote Originally Posted by rifraf View Post
    I like em inside my handlebars.
    Course its just as well I didn't go for drops (racing style bars).

    I utilised a Greenfield on my Moulton APB (now sold) and mostly loved it.


    I use a Clik-Stand
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    with my Surly Ogre due to my rear disk brake eliminating use of the Greenfield.
    Not really up to the job fully loaded but perhaps I've too much onboard.
    Having just invested in an Extrawheel trailer, it'll be interesting to see if the weight dispersal improves things at all.
    I use an occy strap (elasticated with hooks) to hold the front wheel straight but its a PITA

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    I had 2 in RR , 2 in LR, and 2 in a Front pannier.. each of appropriate length for their place.

    the Beckman bags I got in the 80's have a velcro panel against the back that was perfect..

    (only used 1 .. RR)
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