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Old 10-13-14, 06:30 AM
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Damn trek for that ! And damn salsa for adding a suspension fork to the fargo. And specialized for copying ! Damn them all !
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Originally Posted by VT_Speed_TR
Just a complete copy of the Salsa Fargo, which has been out since 2009 (I have the original first gen). Only Trek did it in Aluminum. I see only 2 water bottle mounts in the triangle and can't see mounts on the bottom of the down tube. No bottle mounts on the front fork either. For the price, I'd go with the Salsa Fargo or the Surly Ogre/Troll. QBP has been perfecting this genre of bikes for 6 years, the Trek just is a me-too
Agreed, to a point. I personally really like the Vaya but the limitation on tire width pushed into the AWOL camp. I really wanted to like the Fargo but it just didn't do it for me. A Vaya that could take wide tires with the Fargo 3 fork mounts would be my perfect bike.
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Originally Posted by corwin1968
Not sure of the attraction of aluminum for a touring bike.
You might get better luck welding a steel frame in a foreign country but aluminium is lighter. I like the idea of the sloping top tube in case you slip in the mud, the bar-end shifters and the large tires to go everywhere. This looks like a real cool product even if I prefer simple V-brakes.

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Old 10-13-14, 09:13 AM
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Originally Posted by NormanF
Another look at this new Trek touring bike is here:


As I look at the concept, I see that it has a triple with what appears to be a granny and brifters, that in itself would be a major selling point to me.

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Originally Posted by corwin1968
Not sure of the attraction of aluminum for a touring bike.
I can't understand why steel is so popular among bicycle tourists! It's too heavy, too flexible, prone to rust, etc. The knock against aluminum has always been the harsh ride when the pavement is anything less than perfect. That old myth is probably true... if you're riding on narrow, high pressure racing tires. With higher-volume, lower-pressure touring tires the ride is blissfully smooth in my experience. Not feeling the frame flex every time you stomp on the pedals is an added bonus and the lighter weight is the icing on the cake. If I ever get rid of my Nashbar double-butted aluminum touring frame, I'll be looking for another aluminum frame to take its place...
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Old 10-13-14, 11:54 AM
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Originally Posted by MassiveD
I like the look of the front rack well enough, but I don't see the upside to it being forward like that, if anything I prefer a rack that is towards the rear of the wheel. A lot less fussy to load.
Yeah, small platform and low/mid riders make more sense. All that rack and supporting structure so far forward doesn't make sense.
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So what is the spoke count on this mondo tourer?
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Old 10-13-14, 01:38 PM
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Originally Posted by corwin1968
Not sure of the attraction of aluminum for a touring bike.
Long wheelbase, chainstays, oversized tubes w/o weighing a ton and w/o being whippy. It's a good material
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I don't know spoke count, but per my lbs and assuming you get what's actually listed on the spec sheet, the wheels are full on mtb. Really good wheels.

Unfortunately, as much as I love that new 920, I'm dollars ahead sticking with my 8.4 and modifying it to my needs. including big dollar stuff like fork and wheels.
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Originally Posted by LeeG
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That made me feel a little bit weird.
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Originally Posted by corwin1968
Not sure of the attraction of aluminum for a touring bike.
Frame design and build quality are much more important factors than frame material. It is a myth that the material dictates the ride quality.
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if buying new i would have the LBS change out the tires to something a little less mtb.

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Originally Posted by hybridbkrdr
That made me feel a little bit weird.
Trek likes distinctive wheels
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Old 10-13-14, 06:44 PM
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Originally Posted by corwin1968
Not sure of the attraction of aluminum for a touring bike.
Agreed. Riding on gravel roads all day with an aluminum frame and less than 2 inch tires seems like torture. Steel and 26 inch 2.1's on a Trucker for me.
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Originally Posted by edthesped
As I look at the concept, I see that it has a triple with what appears to be a granny and brifters, that in itself would be a major selling point to me.
The CGI concept rendering is different from the final product. The actual bike has 2x10 gearing with SRAM bar-end shifters, crankset, and derailleurs. The gearing is 42/28 front and 11-36 rear.

I just looked over the specs for this one again, and I noticed a couple of things that I hadn't noticed before. It also has TRP HYLEX hydraulic disc brakes, front and rear through-axles, and Bontrager Duster Elite tubeless ready MTB wheels. As far as the front rack goes, it looks like it's been designed with some future Bontrager Interchange products in mind. I wouldn't be too surprised if they came out with a new line of "adventure bags," or something.
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Originally Posted by hybridbkrdr
You might get better luck welding a steel frame in a foreign country but aluminium is lighter. I like the idea of the sloping top tube in case you slip in the mud, the bar-end shifters and the large tires to go everywhere. This looks like a real cool product even if I prefer simple V-brakes.
I can see the use of aluminum for the ultralight tourer but this doesn't look like an ultralight touring bike at all. Although it could be made into one. One to two pounds more in a comfy steel frame is irrelevant to a bike hauling 50 to 100 pounds plus. Very intriguing bike though, for sure.

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Originally Posted by jargo432
Has anyone here ever had an alum/alloy frame break or crack?
I broke two Devinci aluminum touring frames somewhere around 2001. They both broke in the same place on the downtube, about 2" from the headtube.

The second one was a warranty replacement of the first and they gave me a third also as a warranty replacement which I sold before ever building it up and bought a chro-mo cyclocross frame.

That being said I think it was an issue with that frame in particular (and likely the abuse I put it through), not aluminum in general. Most of the other bikes I've owned since have been aluminum and I've never had an issue with them.
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Originally Posted by Lanovran
The CGI concept rendering is different from the final product. The actual bike has 2x10 gearing with SRAM bar-end shifters, crankset, and derailleurs. The gearing is 42/28 front and 11-36 rear.

I just looked over the specs for this one again, and I noticed a couple of things that I hadn't noticed before. It also has TRP HYLEX hydraulic disc brakes, front and rear through-axles, and Bontrager Duster Elite tubeless ready MTB wheels. As far as the front rack goes, it looks like it's been designed with some future Bontrager Interchange products in mind. I wouldn't be too surprised if they came out with a new line of "adventure bags," or something.
Yeah, I meant to say that but was fielding phone calls while it typed. I wonder if the original design intent was to have a triple or if it was something a graphic artist threw on from a library of parts.
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Here's my question: how long would an aluminum frame last if you're going on 1000 mile tours with approximately 60 lbs of gear attached to the bike. I'm a touring novice, but I'd really like to buy a bike I can do it all on: grocery shop, tour long and short, and race a bit of cyclocross (just for fun). I'm just not convinced an aluminum bike could withstand the heavy touring over time as well as a steel or ti frame. Is that accurate? Is it worth just going steel? I was leaning towards the Salsa Vaya. I did see these new Trek models coming out, and as a bike shop mechanic, I could get a sweet deal on one of these new Treks, and it's tempting.
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An alloy frameset will last forever. Heck, people still fly old airplanes and the aluminum is less advanced than what goes into making bikes.

As long its not abused, you can expect an alloy bike to last as long as your old steel bicycle.
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Originally Posted by MassiveD
I like the look of the front rack well enough, but I don't see the upside to it being forward like that, if anything I prefer a rack that is towards the rear of the wheel. A lot less fussy to load.
I disagree and I do like that the rack outer rod drops straight down rather than bend/slant toward the axle. Too many of my racks, both front and rear racks, slant toward the axle and the result of this is panniers that flex in toward spokes on rough roads or trails. A rack with this design could prevent panniers from bending in toward spokes.
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