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Old 11-22-14, 10:38 PM
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I use dkmatdrum's clock trick all the time. Also, I use either the setting sun or the north star to figure out where the sun will rise in the morning, so that I can set up my tent to get morning sun or morning shade, depending on the type of mood I'm in.

Another trick I often use is extending my arm and counting the number of hand widths between the sun and the horizon. Depending on the size of your hand, you can figure out how approximately how long till the sun sets. Each one of my hands is roughly 45 minutes till sunset. A very rough approximation indeed, but it gives me a general idea.
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Old 11-22-14, 11:43 PM
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Yes, I use the GPS satellites in the sky. Usually just to find my way home.

I also use a compass to keep me going in the general direction I want to go. Download the oldest Boy Scout manual you can find. Great section on using a compass for lots of stuff.
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Old 11-23-14, 03:52 AM
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Originally Posted by robow
I always carry a small quality compass when I tour. It takes up minimal room in my handle bar bag but has justified its inclusion several times when it contradicted my innate sense of direction.
+1

Wish I had learned the stars when I was younger, knowing the North Star has been enough so far though.
Would like to learn the sextant, but haven't yet.
I eschew GPS almost all of the time, I prefer paper maps. Rarely do I need the compass, but I usually have one with me.

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Originally Posted by pataspen
I use dkmatdrum's clock trick all the time. Also, I use either the setting sun or the north star to figure out where the sun will rise in the morning, so that I can set up my tent to get morning sun or morning shade, depending on the type of mood I'm in.

Another trick I often use is extending my arm and counting the number of hand widths between the sun and the horizon. Depending on the size of your hand, you can figure out how approximately how long till the sun sets. Each one of my hands is roughly 45 minutes till sunset. A very rough approximation indeed, but it gives me a general idea.
Isn't this pretty variable depending on where you are in the world? Sailors always talk about the sun disappearing quickly in the Pacific...
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Old 11-23-14, 05:07 AM
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If you are using a compass, and a steel-framed bike, or have steel handlebars, it's advisable to stand away from the bike to take a bearing. In the city, things like steel poles can upset the direction the needle points, as well.

I usually carry a good-quality, plastic-based compass. I have used it rarely to navigate, but when I have, it's paid its way. I also take note of sun direction, and especially the way shadows are cast in the late afternoon to determine where I should position my tent to either take advantage of tree shade if the morning is going to be hot, or a clear field if cold.

I must admit to never using a GPS to find my way around. I did buy one, but it never worked because it was made for the northern hemisphere, and the software download for the southern hemisphere never worked properly.
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Old 11-23-14, 05:09 AM
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Originally Posted by Medic Zero
Isn't this pretty variable depending on where you are in the world? Sailors always talk about the sun disappearing quickly in the Pacific...
I think the closer you are to the equator, the shorter the sunsets. Of course, at the poles, the sun doesn't seem to set in their respective summers. We live in Hobart at about 42 degrees south, and our summer sunsets (and consequently) days are quite long compared with, say, Far North Queensland.
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Old 11-23-14, 06:05 AM
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I use my compass more in the city than in rural areas. I also use it during cloudy days in the woods.
I have only cycled compass bearing once, traversing a trail above the treeline, over a foggy mountain in Spain.
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Old 11-23-14, 07:42 AM
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Originally Posted by Medic Zero
Isn't this pretty variable depending on where you are in the world? Sailors always talk about the sun disappearing quickly in the Pacific...
Yes, extremely variable. I guess I should have been more specific. That approximation seems to work around the continental USA. Obviously, it didn't work on the Alaska Highway, where the sun just sort of goes around in circles. But give it a try and see if it works for you.

On flat terrain it really isn't that useful, as the sun will set pretty much the same time as the night before. But it is useful in the mountains, when the sun may go behind a big ridge an hour or two earlier than "sunset".
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Old 02-24-15, 01:17 PM
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Originally Posted by robow
I always carry a small quality compass when I tour. It takes up minimal room in my handle bar bag but has justified its inclusion several times when it contradicted my innate sense of direction.
Me too, carry a small compass I use when backpacking, it's about 1.5" x 2", carry in top tube bag, used it many times.
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What is wrong with a good old fashioned GPS?
on a Boat it wont tell you where the Bottom is going to come up and Bite you, and run aground, or rip ahole in the hull. for that you need to read the Charts.

On a Bike You can always stop and ask the Locals.
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No maps, compass, north star, sextant, sun shade, watch with hour hand, gps, asking the locals, etc are needed if you are navigating in a moslem area. Moslem's graves in islamic countries always point in the direction of Mecca, graves in a general area north of mecca then would point you in southern direction and so on and so forth. You just have to find a grave site nearby ..... :-)

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I look at the sun. And use a map and road signs. I'm in New England, not wicked wilderness.
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Old 02-25-15, 12:42 PM
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I carry a map and compass.Just got used to using them.
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I always used a map and compass when backpacking or just hiking, so when I started touring I just automatically took one along. I realized about halfway across the US that I really didn't need one for road touring and I mailed it and the GPS home. A very general idea of where north is is sufficient and I find that easy to maintain by the sun and various land features such as bodies of water and mountain ranges.

I still carry a compass for hiking or off road bike touring.

Edit: Correction... I guess I actually do have a compass along in the form of a compass app on my phone, but I have yet to use it on tour.
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Old 02-26-15, 12:17 AM
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Compasses dont always work well, if there is high metal quantities in the ground, you may get bad readings.
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