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    What is the best upgrade for track bike

    I have a serotta STEEL bike

    I heard disc wheel helps a lot.

    Is it true?

    And can anyone tell me the best upgrade for my bike

    Frame: Serotta bike
    Crank: Campagnolo crank(old)
    Chainring: 52t campagnolo chainring(old)
    Cog: 15t unknown steel cog
    wheelset: araya gold + Dura ace 7600 hub
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    Pedal: MKS custom Nuevo+MKS cage (with cleat for clip pedal)

    17.86lbs (with brake+brake adapter+brake lever)
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    There's no magic "one best" upgrade for a track bike, except the engine. If called on to name what makes the single biggest difference, I'd say tires, followed by the wheels.

    Otherwise, upgrade only when you have something you think needs upgrading, but don't expect sea changes no matter what you do because a track bike is already reduced to the bare essentials.
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    Thank you
    Can you give me some training tips?
    I do not live near velodrome, so I always ride my track bike(with brake) on the road
    But I'm not sure I'm doing the right thing
    Right now I'm working on my gearing(52t x 15t)

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    Welcome. Would be great if you posted a photo of your bike in the Show Off your Track Training and Racing Bikes - linked above.

    Given you only have one chainring and cog, best purchase would be more chainrings and cogs...

    Bike overall sounds good as it. Tyres once the current ones are worn out would be good potential upgrade.

    Disc wheel doesn't offer much performance benefit over a deeper rim set. What would look good on your classic bike would be alloy track tubulars wheels such as 41mm deep Gipiemme (cheaper) or Shamals (more expensive but both running rims made by Gipiemme). Wouldn't bother upgrading these unless you stumbled across a cheap set in good condition, and definitely not till you have been racing a while.
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    Thank you
    I think I should get some more chainrings cogs(I currently own 15t and 17t)

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    and this is a picture of my bike

    I think my wheels are not suited for track races, but they are super light. Rim only weights 300g
    Do you gipiemme aero wheelset will help me? Or should get some more chainrings and cogs

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    Looks good!



    Those wheels are fine for racing! You will need more cogs and chainrings for racing as you will be changing gears depending on numerous variables such as track type, length, race type, field size etc...
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    The next step is chainrings and cogs. Different gearing allows you to vary your workouts depending on the goal of that training session.

    What velodrome would you be going to? Some velodromes have gear restrictions for the beginner categories, and you would need a chainring/cog combination that would work.
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    I'll add to the chainrings and cogs opinion. Not just for this person, but anyone in general asking this question. Chainrings and cogs, followed by a membership to a Velodrome. The first one allows you to dial in your training. The second one gets you riding, training, and racing on a 'drome. These two things are by far, the biggest improvements you can make to your set-up, or any beginner's set up for that matter.
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    That's a great looking bike

    One thing that new racers may miss is that using a track bike on the road isn't the best way to train for the track. Actually using a road bike would be a better training tool. So, if you have a road bike, I'd suggest maybe using that as your primary training bike and use the track bike for when you get to the track. Maybe use the track bike as your "Sunday bike" (with a brake) for casual rides so you become comfortable on it. But, don't do high-speed efforts on it.

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    thanks you helped me a lot.
    Can you recommend me some brands for cogs and chainrings?

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    Last time when I went to the velodrome. They said my gearing was "rolling out".
    So I do not get what they were talking about.
    And any suggestions on chainrings and cogs brand?

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    I think you are probably a year or two away from really needing upgrades, get used to the bike and riding on a track first.
    52x16 is 90 gear inches which is a good general gear for the track (and is often the limit for tracks that limit gear inches). 15, 16, 17t is a good collection for cogs, maybe something big for the street so you can spin fast. Track racing is a lot of spinning 100 - 150 rpm). Don't waste your money on more chain rings - you are a long way off from needing that (unless you are a gear junkie of course).

    Unlike most track bikes, that bike should be fine on the street (with a brake). I like doing intervals on my track bike - getting used to power bursts (as was mentioned in the power thread) on the track bike. A fun ride is hitting all of the streets in my neighborhood - tight turns and lots of accelerating out of the turns. My road bike can't power through a turn or accelerate like the track bike (because of the high bottom bracket).
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    1) practice full power accelerations (15, 30, 60 seconds)
    2) practice riding longer at high rpm.

    Most of the guys here have track bikes that are ill suited to the street, but your bike is just fine. The first think I would upgrade is the bike - track racing needs a stiff frame to build off of.

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    Quote Originally Posted by carleton View Post


    That's a great looking bike

    One thing that new racers may miss is that using a track bike on the road isn't the best way to train for the track. Actually using a road bike would be a better training tool. So, if you have a road bike, I'd suggest maybe using that as your primary training bike and use the track bike for when you get to the track. Maybe use the track bike as your "Sunday bike" (with a brake) for casual rides so you become comfortable on it. But, don't do high-speed efforts on it.
    dammit!
    I just sold my road bike������
    But I have brake special made adapter for my bike.
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    I used to have rear brake, but a lot of people were telling me to get front brake. So I ordered a special adapter for steel bike fork. ☺️☺️

    How about training with a roller?
    Does roller helps a lot?

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    put something like 70-75 gear inches on it and practice on the road with a front brake; something around 90 gear inches for the track. You should also learn how to skid stop the rear wheel if you are going to ride on the road (be careful out there).

    Roller can be good to develop a high cadence (just don't fall off!). But you can do that on the road too if you wish.

    (post a copy of your picture in your post, that site is restricted from my viewing).

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    Quote Originally Posted by chas58 View Post
    I think you are probably a year or two away from really needing upgrades, get used to the bike and riding on a track first.
    52x16 is 90 gear inches which is a good general gear for the track (and is often the limit for tracks that limit gear inches). 15, 16, 17t is a good collection for cogs, maybe something big for the street so you can spin fast. Track racing is a lot of spinning 100 - 150 rpm). Don't waste your money on more chain rings - you are a long way off from needing that (unless you are a gear junkie of course).

    Unlike most track bikes, that bike should be fine on the street (with a brake). I like doing intervals on my track bike - getting used to power bursts (as was mentioned in the power thread) on the track bike. A fun ride is hitting all of the streets in my neighborhood - tight turns and lots of accelerating out of the turns. My road bike can't power through a turn or accelerate like the track bike (because of the high bottom bracket).
    strava.JPG

    1) practice full power accelerations (15, 30, 60 seconds)
    2) practice riding longer at high rpm.

    Most of the guys here have track bikes that are ill suited to the street, but your bike is just fine. The first think I would upgrade is the bike - track racing needs a stiff frame to build off of.
    Thank you for your advice.
    I did not liked road bike, because of power transfer.
    So I sold my road bike.
    Now i own mob and track bike lol.
    Also I rode my track bike for more than 1 year now.

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    This is my first time using this forum, so I am having problem with uploading pictures.(I'm using El Capitan Beta, so I'm having problem with uploading pictures)

    And I did not know that skidding was necessary.
    I usually back pedal, and never skid.
    I never go fast on the street except cleared road(I go crazy(48miles per hour) on cleared road)

    And thank you for your advice

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    If you have a brake you won't need to skid-stop on the road. When I've taken fixed gears on the road it's usually with two brakes, although you really only need the front. If you're braking properly, the front is doing all the work. It's also good to avoid getting into the habit of skidding and backpedaling, because you *don't* want to do that on the track.

    As far as upgrades:
    Cogs and Chainrings are first, you can do pretty well with 14-15-16 cogs and 48-51 chainrings. There used to always be good enough stuff on ebay, but I haven't shopped there for a while.
    Next upgrade is lots of practice! Upgrading your brain and your body will be more effective than anything you can buy.
    Once you're at a point where a tiny bit of saved energy is the difference between gaining a lap and not gaining the lap, that's when you should start looking at aero wheels. Continue training with box rim spokes.
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    Oh now I should get 14t, 16t cogs and 48~51t chainrings
    Can you recommend me cog model and chainring model.
    I saw sugino super zen, but i could not see any difference between messenger or other

    Thank you so much for your help

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    Bike is fine. Large number of racers are still doing fine on steel!

    Front brake and back pressure is enough to stop safely. Personally think it is bad to learn to skid - might accidentally use one on the track!

    Rollers are great. Can focus on your pedaling and drills without worrying about traffic...

    Which is your local track gycho77? The local racers will be a wealth of knowledge and will be willing to pass on what they know to new racers!

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    Fsa rings. Dura ace cogs.
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    Thanks
    I live in delwaware, so the closest velodrome is Valley preferred cycling center

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    thank you

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    Quote Originally Posted by wens View Post
    Fsa rings. Dura ace cogs.
    Since they are old Campagnolo track cranks, they may be 151 BCD and not 144 BCD so FSA chainrings may not fit?
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    Right now I'm using chainring 144BCD

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    Great, 144BCD opens up many more options then.

    I am a big fan of the FSA chainrings as a solid bang for buck option but may look out of place with your bike. I would consider even some used NJS Shimano chainrings from ebay sellers in Japan...
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