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    New track frames from LOOK

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    R96

    Specially dedicated to pursuit races
    Aerodynamic carbon frame
    ZED one-piece carbon track crankset
    One-piece carbon stem
    Optimised efficiency
    CR 564P

    Carbon frame and fork
    UCI type approved
    L96 inspired geometry
    Oversized aerodynamic tubes
    Aerodynamic carbon seatpost
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    Roadies can run tempo all year as that's what humans were designed for. If you want to be a cheetah, lay around and lick your paws more.

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    It's hard to say what's happening here.

    What's the difference between the R96 and the L96 TT (besides paint)? Both are TT-specific with 43mm offset forks.

    Is the 564 a 496/L96 frame with the same carbon layup but reconfigured for normal cranks and stems? Or is it simply a Chinese carbon bike with a Mondrain paint job?

    Anyone got MRSP data on these? Calling all bike shop guys
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    Quote Originally Posted by gtrob View Post
    Roadies can run tempo all year as that's what humans were designed for. If you want to be a cheetah, lay around and lick your paws more.

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    Quote Originally Posted by carleton View Post
    It's hard to say what's happening here.

    What's the difference between the R96 and the L96 TT (besides pain)? Both are TT-specific with 43mm offset forks.

    Is the 564 a 496/L96 frame with the same carbon layup but reconfigured for normal cranks and stems? Or is it simply a Chinese carbon bike with a Mondrain paint job?

    Anyone got MRSP data on these? Calling all bike shop guys
    OMG I thought I was the only one who was thinking about this.
    I hope somebody know the difference between R96 and L96(tt)

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    The stem on the R96 looks to be way too long for a pursuit bike. The aero bars will almost go beyond the front wheel.

    I don't have the exact number, but I think the 564 runs in the $2-3k range.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dunderhi View Post
    The stem on the R96 looks to be way too long for a pursuit bike. The aero bars will almost go beyond the front wheel.
    The photographers can be counted on to make odd choices for the photo shoot. "Gotta make it look sick!"

    LOOK states that it is
    Specially dedicated to pursuit races
    It's being marketed as a pursuit bike...with sprint bars on it probably because LOOK makes sprint bars (that are stupidly expensive) and they do not make aero bars to my knowledge.

    The L96 comes with a set of stems from very short to very long. I assume the same goes for the R96. They list the stems as

    FROM 55MM TO 140MM EVERY 5MM
    That's 18 stems available.

    I kinda doubt that the bike ships with 18 stems...but for that price, it should
    Quote Originally Posted by gtrob View Post
    Roadies can run tempo all year as that's what humans were designed for. If you want to be a cheetah, lay around and lick your paws more.

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    weird. Look has traditionally done sprint bikes that can do double duty for mass start races. a lineup of pursuit bikes is weird.
    the hipster myth.

    i practice vagabondery.

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    Quote Originally Posted by carleton View Post
    Is the 564 a 496/L96 frame with the same carbon layup but reconfigured for normal cranks and stems? Or is it simply a Chinese carbon bike with a Mondrain paint job?
    The 564 is an Axman frame, only it's molded without the little hump in the headtube.
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    Quote Originally Posted by taras0000 View Post
    The 564 is an Axman frame, only it's molded without the little hump in the headtube.
    Oh yeah. That's right. We talked about this a couple of months ago.

    So, it's probably not nearly the same carbon layup as the 496.
    Quote Originally Posted by gtrob View Post
    Roadies can run tempo all year as that's what humans were designed for. If you want to be a cheetah, lay around and lick your paws more.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dunderhi View Post

    I don't have the exact number, but I think the 564 runs in the $2-3k range.
    Look CR 564

    Nice looking bike

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    the M (largest frame? ) has a top tube of 56cm. am I missing something or is that actually the largest frame they make? doesnt that exclude a large group of riders. im 177cm and I ride a 56cm tt and am by no means the tall guy at the track, quite the contrary actually

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    Ive heard our team is getting the new bike, ill try and grab a pic of it. Wonder whats happening to all those L96 frames.... Too bad they have cut posts and are useless to anyone with a longer leg. They will keep some for spares Im sure, although a few of them are already spares.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gtrob View Post
    Ive heard our team is getting the new bike, ill try and grab a pic of it. Wonder whats happening to all those L96 frames.... Too bad they have cut posts and are useless to anyone with a longer leg. They will keep some for spares Im sure, although a few of them are already spares.
    I hope I can get those spare L96 frames lol

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    All of the major bikes should be coming out with new frames for Rio, so maybe there will be a 'flood' on the market soon (relatively speaking, even a couple of L96s for sale would be a flood lol). You would notice the UK team still riding on 6 year old Cervelo frames and guaranteed they will have something new for Rio (likely 2 new bikes actually). I had pestered some of the guys from Cervelo all year about a T1/4 replacement and they basically said ready or not, the bike would be released with Olympics since thats when the demand shoots up. I guess there is a huge spike in track bike sales on Olympic years so they time the releases with them. Same with releasing new tri bikes right around Kona

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    Quote Originally Posted by gtrob View Post
    All of the major bikes should be coming out with new frames for Rio, so maybe there will be a 'flood' on the market soon (relatively speaking, even a couple of L96s for sale would be a flood lol). You would notice the UK team still riding on 6 year old Cervelo frames and guaranteed they will have something new for Rio (likely 2 new bikes actually). I had pestered some of the guys from Cervelo all year about a T1/4 replacement and they basically said ready or not, the bike would be released with Olympics since thats when the demand shoots up. I guess there is a huge spike in track bike sales on Olympic years so they time the releases with them. Same with releasing new tri bikes right around Kona
    Starting from now, I am going to check eBay website everyday.
    I hope they post on eBay instead of other websites.

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    Quote Originally Posted by grav.digr View Post
    the M (largest frame? ) has a top tube of 56cm. am I missing something or is that actually the largest frame they make? doesnt that exclude a large group of riders. im 177cm and I ride a 56cm tt and am by no means the tall guy at the track, quite the contrary actually
    Yes, Medium has been their largest frame for a long time. No one knows why.

    French team riders Gregory Bauge and Kevin Sireau are both over 6ft tall...but word is that they ride custom frames larger than 56cm.
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    Roadies can run tempo all year as that's what humans were designed for. If you want to be a cheetah, lay around and lick your paws more.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gycho77 View Post
    Starting from now, I am going to check eBay website everyday.
    I hope they post on eBay instead of other websites.
    Dude, those frames retail for over 10,000USD. The used price will be at least half of that. You ready to drop $5,000+ on a frame?
    Quote Originally Posted by gtrob View Post
    Roadies can run tempo all year as that's what humans were designed for. If you want to be a cheetah, lay around and lick your paws more.

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    Quote Originally Posted by carleton View Post
    Dude, those frames retail for over 10,000USD. The used price will be at least half of that. You ready to drop $5,000+ on a frame?
    um...........
    I would rather buy an used carbon anchor from my frame which will be 830 dollars.
    If I get a L96, I will never ride them on the outdoor track haha
    It will be only for indoor track or on the roller

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    Quote Originally Posted by gycho77 View Post
    um...........
    I would rather buy an used carbon anchor from my frame which will be 830 dollars.
    If I get a L96, I will never ride them on the outdoor track haha
    It will be only for indoor track or on the roller
    The Anchor is a great bike and if you can get a used one for that price I'd do it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Baby Puke View Post
    The Anchor is a great bike and if you can get a used one for that price I'd do it.
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    Here is a picture of the frame i'm talking about.
    He lives in Korea. So shipping fee will be expensive.....

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    Hmm, that's the older model (PHM7?) with the threaded headset. I'd hold out for the new one (PHM 9??) which is a total redesign and is a very very nice bike indeed. That one above should be around $500 or so, and I'd try to avoid any that have seem street fixie duty as this one looks to have.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Baby Puke View Post
    Hmm, that's the older model (PHM7?) with the threaded headset. I'd hold out for the new one (PHM 9??) which is a total redesign and is a very very nice bike indeed. That one above should be around $500 or so, and I'd try to avoid any that have seem street fixie duty as this one looks to have.
    Yes I'm guessing it's PHM7, but he never rode that bike on the street.
    He only used the bike for roller, because the frame was small for him.
    He usually ride street with zipp 2001, cervelo t1, or other bikes
    I never saw in a person(he lives in Korea....), but I have talked to him for two years
    However, if I find a better deal with other frames, I would probably purchase the other frame
    Also it's going to take few months for me to buy a new frame haha
    So i have plenty of time to think about.
    And thank you

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    Don't buy anything from this guy. From the sounds of it they are all street fixies. You don't know the history of these bikes, and have no way of verifying it. Only buy from someone you know is reputable. You'll spend close to, or more than $250 bucks to have a bike shipped from over the ocean (I know because I've done it). Why not spend that money on something local, and pay it into the purchase price. It's stupid to buy an obsolete bike, that's overpriced, and then spend a ridiculous amount to ship it. $800 bucks plus $300 dollars shipping? You can get a much better deal on something local.

    It's only worth it if the cost+shipping is cheaper than what you can get here. I got my old BT from Australia because the exchange rate worked in my favour, and the bike hadn't been ridden all that much. I bought it through John Beasley, who coaches the Malaysian National team and runs a shop. I also had a friend who lived in the area check it out for me. I purchased and shipped the frame for $2000. That frame bought in North America through BT's retail channels at the time could've cost me over $8000. It made sense to buy it the way I did. What you're looking at is just flushing money down the toilet for a bike that was nice when it came out, but is nothing special now.
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    Quote Originally Posted by taras0000 View Post
    Don't buy anything from this guy. From the sounds of it they are all street fixies. You don't know the history of these bikes, and have no way of verifying it. Only buy from someone you know is reputable. You'll spend close to, or more than $250 bucks to have a bike shipped from over the ocean (I know because I've done it). Why not spend that money on something local, and pay it into the purchase price. It's stupid to buy an obsolete bike, that's overpriced, and then spend a ridiculous amount to ship it. $800 bucks plus $300 dollars shipping? You can get a much better deal on something local.

    It's only worth it if the cost+shipping is cheaper than what you can get here. I got my old BT from Australia because the exchange rate worked in my favour, and the bike hadn't been ridden all that much. I bought it through John Beasley, who coaches the Malaysian National team and runs a shop. I also had a friend who lived in the area check it out for me. I purchased and shipped the frame for $2000. That frame bought in North America through BT's retail channels at the time could've cost me over $8000. It made sense to buy it the way I did. What you're looking at is just flushing money down the toilet for a bike that was nice when it came out, but is nothing special now.
    I see your point.
    thank you for your advice, and I will not buy that frame.
    Instead of purchasing that frame, I will go to Velofest(May) in T.town velodrome
    Thank you again to @Baby Puke and @Taras0000

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    Generally speaking, you shouldn't buy old technology for racing. This goes for:

    - Frames
    - Threaded headsets
    - Old style pedals
    - Vintage anything

    There are only a few old things that have stood the test of time:

    - Nitto B123/125 bars
    - Shimano Octalink track cranks
    - Toshi, Kashimax, etc...straps

    If a bike has a threaded stem, you don't want it. Unless that's your thing and you are into vintage bikes. But, don't buy it thinking that it's better. It may have been amazing when it first appeared, now it's just old.

    There are exceptions. But, don't get fooled into thinking older is somehow better.
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    Quote Originally Posted by carleton View Post
    Generally speaking, you shouldn't buy old technology for racing. This goes for:

    - Frames
    - Threaded headsets
    - Old style pedals
    - Vintage anything

    There are only a few old things that have stood the test of time:

    - Nitto B123/125 bars
    - Shimano Octalink track cranks
    - Toshi, Kashimax, etc...straps

    If a bike has a threaded stem, you don't want it. Unless that's your thing and you are into vintage bikes. But, don't buy it thinking that it's better. It may have been amazing when it first appeared, now it's just old.

    There are exceptions. But, don't get fooled into thinking older is somehow better.
    Got it.
    Anyway I don't want any vintage parts
    I will try my best to get a threadless fork with current technology frames.

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