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Old 09-25-05, 02:12 PM   #1
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New Track Bike

I am currently shopping for a new track bike.
I don't want a custom bike (dont have the money), just want something of good quality, and good price.
It must have track geometry, I dont want to clip a pedal. The only place this will be ridden is at the track.
I was thinking about the Bianchi Pista Concept, Felt TK2, or Fuji Track Pro.
I also liked the Pinarello Prince Pista, but I was told that it had road geometry... is this true?
Are there any other bikes like those listed above? Of those listed, which one is the best bang for the buck?
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Old 09-25-05, 02:28 PM   #2
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The pista Concept and TK2 are both on my list of bikes to look into aswell. I find my steel bike a tad flexxy. The pinarello is more road geo-ish. You just have to look at the pictures of them on their site. Mind you on a larger track it wouldnt be as bad.
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Old 09-25-05, 05:27 PM   #3
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I'm having the same problem.

I bought a specialized langster last year, (Don't get one!) I slowly upgraded the entire bike, the only things that are stock are the frame and fork, and I've been looking for a reasonably priced frame with track geometry.

I recently came across Fort Frames , and they have sprint and pursuit frames for @ $500. Be sure to check out their clearance page, they usually have a good selection.

(Let us know what you decide on)
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Does anyone know how the bikes I mentioned above compare in terms of prices?
The Pista Concept is about 1400, but I'm not sure about any of the others. Any info would be great. THanks.
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You did not say what velodrome(s) you would be riding. Longer track, i.e., shallow banking or riding shorter tracks with steep banking. Also, what type of riding are you planning on doing? Time trial events (kilo, 3k), mass start races (scratch, point or madison). Each of these should influence your choice.

The bike handling of different track bikes also varies greatly. Some are just down right twitchy (under the label of being responsive) and can be scarry to ride and others, while still quick, will give you much more predictable bike tracking and likely some confidence as well. As with any bike, the most important thing, after safety, is fit.

I have limited variety of track bikes that I have personally ridden although I typically ride at least 3 times a week on the velodrome. I have seen quite a few and talked with their owners.

Would be happy to offer suggestions after knowing a little more of your plans.
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I ride at a very short track, 138m, and the banking is extremely steep. I am planning on doing all types of races, sprints and TTs.
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The pista Concept and TK2 are both on my list of bikes to look into aswell.
Both those look real nice.
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I ride at a very short track, 138m, and the banking is extremely steep. I am planning on doing all types of races, sprints and TTs.
If it's that short and steep it must be our Forest City Velodrome in London Ontario. Most of our rentals are the low-budget KHS 100 and no-one clips pedals with those and I think the one lap track record (8.14 secs) is held by a good rider on one of those bikes.

Lots of racers rent them and use them for madisons and every other type of event. Plus they're rolled out by beginners every day.

So.......if this low budget bike is fine for that track them most other bikes are too. There are quite a few Fujis there as well - both rentals and privately owned.
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yupp, you're right, it is the FCV in London.
I noticed by your profile that you have a Colnago track bike. What kind is it? and maybe the more important question is how much did it cost you? lol
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yupp, you're right, it is the FCV in London.
I noticed by your profile that you have a Colnago track bike. What kind is it?
My Colnago is a an early 1970's vintage Super. It's got lots of history.

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sorry. I didn't mean to be nosy. I just thought if it was a newer bike from Colnago and if it was in my price range I could look into it some more.
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sorry. I didn't mean to be nosy. I just thought if it was a newer bike from Colnago and if it was in my price range I could look into it some more.
Nope, it's an oldie (but goody) with lots of paint missing. All Colnagos, even old ones, are "up there" in price.
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If it's that short and steep it must be our Forest City Velodrome in London Ontario. Most of our rentals are the low-budget KHS 100 and no-one clips pedals with those and I think the one lap track record (8.14 secs) is held by a good rider on one of those bikes.

Lots of racers rent them and use them for madisons and every other type of event. Plus they're rolled out by beginners every day.

So.......if this low budget bike is fine for that track them most other bikes are too. There are quite a few Fujis there as well - both rentals and privately owned.
Zach Bell has his own track bike, a Cervelo p3. It's true that it's the engine that matters, but if someone is going to put money down on a bike and they can afford it, it's best to get a bike that fits, and offers the performance that you are looking for. I would find a bike that's a little more on the "responsive" side. Look for slightly steeper angles and less rake in the fork. You'll also want a bike that's slightly shorter. On tight tracks, having your body a little more "hunched" as opposed to spread out like on a roadie helps to deal with the centrifugal forces. It just puts you in a better position to brace your upper body, a little less fatiguing as it also lets you sit up if you need to. Aim for a bike that's about 2 cm shorter in the top tube and about i-2 cm shorter in the seat tube than your roadie. This position will also serve you well a little further down the road once you develop your handling to a point that's good enough to allow aero bars for pursuits. The Fuji's and the Felts seem to be great bikes for smaller tracks, a lot of riders in this area (Southern Ontario and Michigan) seem to like them a lot. Those are my suggestions.
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If you are riding the FCV I'm sure sooner or later you'll be doing the Madison there and likely at the Velodrome at Bloomer Park in Rochester Hills, MI (we exchange riders often). We have some of the Felts as rentals at the Veldorome at Bloomer Park and quite a few riders who also own them by choice. The one thing they seem to upgrade is the wheels to something aero and light although the stock wheels are not too bad for clinchers.

I rode one last Saturday for the day and can compare it to my "Nastrack" frame. The Felt is a bit longer in the top tube, and the steering was a bit lighter. Both bike track very well while doing a Madison exchange, can't say the same about some of the others I have ridden. During the race I can't say that I noticed any difference between them.

The Felt would likely be a good choice, but with all the friendly riders at both FCV and in Rochester Hills I'm sure there are many people who would be happy to let you test ride their bike. Test rides would sure be the best way to find out what you like.

I'm still looking forward to riding at FCV and you are very welcome in Rochester Hills as well.
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Something else to consider would be the Marinoni Pista Alu: http://www.marinoni.qc.ca/html/2005/05_en_pista.asp
Bicycle Specialities has them set up with either Miche Primato or Campy Record gear for $1,465
and $2,400, respectively: http://www.bikespecialties.com/marinoni/pistaalu.html

Marinoni's been known to build great track frames and I'm surprised I haven't seen more of these at the track.
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Yes he does. It's the record holder prior to him who did it on a rental I think.
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Something else to consider would be the Marinoni Pista Alu: http://www.marinoni.qc.ca/html/2005/05_en_pista.asp
Bicycle Specialities has them set up with either Miche Primato or Campy Record gear for $1,465
and $2,400, respectively: http://www.bikespecialties.com/marinoni/pistaalu.html
Marinoni's been known to build great track frames and I'm surprised I haven't seen more of these at the track.
Good call. There are a few older Marinonis at our track (I've owned a couple myself too) and a new steel one showed up a few weeks ago and it was impressive. Those prices on B/Ss site will be Canadian prices too so you Merricans will pay even less.

Bicycle Specialties (Toronto) owner Mike Barry is the father of Mike Barry Jr - a member of Lance's Disco team.

By the way - Mike Barry builds frames too (Mariposa) and has for many years. A Mariposa track frame arrived at the track a few weeks ago also and it was the nicest steel lugged frame I've seen in many years. It had very precise lugwork and paint. Of course they are very limited in production and very high in price.
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Yeah, check out Marinoni.
Where else can you get a full custom Zona frame for $650 CAD? or an aluminum custom for ~$750.
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How do the 2006 Felt Tk2 and Bianchi Pista Concept compare in terms of componentry and wheels? It seems to me that the bianchi is better, but like I said, im new to this and don't know exactly what are good track components.

Also, which wheels are better on the pista concept: the Cane Creek Volos track wheelset w/conti tubulars on the 2006, or Mavic Ellipse wheels w/ vittoria tires on the 2005. I'm assuming that the cane creek tubs are, but correct me if I am wrong.

On a side note, will I notice a difference between these bikes and the KHS bikes they have at the velodrome as rentals?

EDIT: I should have also mentioned the Fuji Track Pro above. How does this compare to the others interms of componentry and wheels. The one thing that catches my eye on this one is the FSA Carbon Pro Crankset.

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