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Old 02-14-06, 03:06 PM   #1
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I have decided to move from crits to the track and picked up my new track bike last week. It is a custom made Guru aluminum frame. I've only made it to the track twice, but have had a great time. I only have wheels for training on now using Tufos, but plan to get a race wheel set soon. I've been running a 52 X 16 but some of the trackies seemed to think that was a heavy gear. It seemed ok to me for the pace-line work. Any suggestions are welcome. Here is the bike: http://www.freewebs.com/trackbike/gurutrackbike.htm

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Hi...52 X 16 in a long track as the miami one its fine... it isnt heavy at all... the problem that i see with that multiplicaiton is that it wont work so well when sprinting.. I mean.. 52/53x16 its almost the same than 50x15 (do the math) but although u get almost the same ammount inches per pedaling.. the sensation isnt the same..

50x15 have more rush at the end, u can easily change the pace using 50x15, is more.. Hmm.. u drag more (hope u have the idea)... with 52x16 u can do cadence easier but when sprinting u'll be pedaling in the air u know. Those r the diferences... In the road everybody uses almost the same and u can adjust the gears but in track u have to really know whats the best 4 u.

The other thing... 16 T cogs will always be lighter or easier to move than 15, so as a rule no matter what wheelchain u have there... the cog is the one that will determine how heavy or not the pedaling it will be. Well what im saying is that eventhoug u can set up a multiplication with 16 or 15 to have the same ammount of meters or inches per pedaling.. the feeling is too diferent and the results in the race will be different too. If u r not so strong to move 50x15 stick with 52x16 u know... But if u have access to a 49 or 50 chainwhell use it to see how do u feel.

I used to use 53/52x16 when it was too windy because i wasnt so strong, but i was fast. In normal conditions 50/49x15 its more than enough, even persuit racers in per points races use 51x15 because they arent so fast. But darn they are strong hehe...

Nice bike dude... 75 degres even??? or is a 74 degrees even? This canadians do good stuff... anybody interested in my Tesch???

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Hey Star This is Dmitriy, we met last saturday on the velodrome . I forgot to ask you, how much you spent on ur bike? That bike has amazing tubes, i loved it eheh.
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Hey Star This is Dmitriy, we met last saturday on the velodrome . I forgot to ask you, how much you spent on ur bike? That bike has amazing tubes, i loved it eheh.
Hey Dmitriy. It was nice riding with you and I appreciate you knowledgeable guys helping newbs like me. I ride for Z's shop on the road, so he was very good to me with the bike price. I think the retail on the frame, fork and seat post is around $2,500 but you could probably talk Alex down from that. Alex has a custom Guru coming which is similar to mine but the seat tube has the cut out around the rear wheel.
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Nice bike dude... 75 degres even??? or is a 74 degrees even? This canadians do good stuff... anybody interested in my Tesch???

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Hi...52 X 16 in a long track as the miami one its fine... it isnt heavy at all... the problem that i see with that multiplicaiton is that it wont work so well when sprinting.. I mean.. 52/53x16 its almost the same than 50x15 (do the math) but although u get almost the same ammount inches per pedaling.. the sensation isnt the same..

50x15 have more rush at the end, u can easily change the pace using 50x15, is more.. Hmm.. u drag more (hope u have the idea)... with 52x16 u can do cadence easier but when sprinting u'll be pedaling in the air u know. Those r the diferences... In the road everybody uses almost the same and u can adjust the gears but in track u have to really know whats the best 4 u.

The other thing... 16 T cogs will always be lighter or easier to move than 15, so as a rule no matter what wheelchain u have there... the cog is the one that will determine how heavy or not the pedaling it will be. Well what im saying is that eventhoug u can set up a multiplication with 16 or 15 to have the same ammount of meters or inches per pedaling.. the feeling is too diferent and the results in the race will be different too. If u r not so strong to move 50x15 stick with 52x16 u know... But if u have access to a 49 or 50 chainwhell use it to see how do u feel.

I used to use 53/52x16 when it was too windy because i wasnt so strong, but i was fast. In normal conditions 50/49x15 its more than enough, even persuit racers in per points races use 51x15 because they arent so fast. But darn they are strong hehe...

Nice bike dude... 75 degres even??? or is a 74 degrees even? This canadians do good stuff... anybody interested in my Tesch???

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Are you saying there is a difference in the torque feel when using a smaller chain ring but keeping the total inches the same?
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I'd say unless you're doing match sprints, that gear is too big for attacking effectively.

I mean, hey, if you're strong enough to spin that then attack at something like 140-150rpm, go for it. Being able to react to and initiate attacks is probably a bigger part of winning mass start races than just pushing a big gear.
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That is a massive gear! How big is the track you ride at?

The only sudgestion I have, and its from experience is maby a real track bar should replace the ergo road one. I learnt that the hard way expolding into a sprint once and bent the bastard of a bar I had.

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Cafe.. the trakc in miami is a 333 meters one.... so that big chainwheel its kind'a fine so far my experience as ex racer...

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"Are you saying there is a difference in the torque feel when using a smaller chain ring but keeping the total inches the same?"

YES!!!! and sometimes its critical... 52/53x16, 50x15 and 47x14... are almost the same ammount of meters or inches.... but the feeling it's quite different. althoug the chainwheel is doing some torque, the one that commands in how the hard or heavy the gear it will behave its the COG, do your experiments, play with it. U'll find it quite interesting hehehe The chainwheel will give another sensation when pedaling, how it drags or how it spin... u have to figure it out that part...

50x15 is my recommendation for all purpouse. Isnt so hard to move and u'll be able to change pace easyly and fast. But play with it ok? In the road as I said isnt critical... road people do not know about this they dont even care... trackers should care, it is must!

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I agree with vomitron...!
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I'd say unless you're doing match sprints, that gear is too big for attacking effectively.

I mean, hey, if you're strong enough to spin that then attack at something like 140-150rpm, go for it. Being able to react to and initiate attacks is probably a bigger part of winning mass start races than just pushing a big gear.
Agreed - I think a newbie espy one coming from the road, would benefit most from learning to spin a lower gear at a higher cadence than they're probably used to on the road.
Track gearing etc was discussed recently in the 'Training tips...' and 'How fast' threads in this forum and these are probably worth a look.

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Track gearing etc was discussed recently in the 'Training tips...' and 'How fast' threads in this forum and these are probably worth a look.

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Thanks for pointing out these threads. Headed there now.
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There is a theory that big chainrings roll better and small chainrings accelerate better. You'll find that for a given gear sprinters will generally run a combo with a smaller chainring, pursuiters/endurance riders a combo using a larger chainring.

I used to use 52x16 for my first couple of club races for the year, then whack on the 50X15 (90") for the remainder of the season. 52x16 for training sessions (generally behind the motorbike).

In open racing in Australia we use bigger gears than that. Most tracks out here in Australia are 250m or 333m velodromes, or 450m+ flat tracks.

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50X15 its the way to go....

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Well I'm still a track newbie but having a good time. I just picked up the gear for the kilo and pursit. Check out the pics at http://www.freewebs.com/trackbike/ttsetup.htm
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I don't care what gear H.Star is using.. he is silly fast!!!!!!!


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Man, you are gonna FLY with those wheels !
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Have you run into Spidey, Mr. Incredible or Panch0 at the track yet?
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Yes, all the time, why ?
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Cool, I read about the rest of the guys from Panch0 on FixedGearfever pretty often. I think it is cool that the local riders/racers are so colorful.

We are pretty boring out here at Hellyer, we don't have a single super hero!!!
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