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fixedpip 07-01-06 12:38 PM

Track direction, Is it standardised?
 
I've raced track in the UK and in the US. On each and every circuit the racers go counter clockwise (left side down track, right side up track).

But today in training we went in reverse, which was very odd in itself. But it got me wondering, does any one race the other way round? If we don't standardise on driving, why on the track?

It was pretty disturbing and made me feel like I've I've never ridden track before.

Mike T. 07-01-06 02:33 PM

In the northern hemisphere it's c-clockwise and in the southern hemisphere it's clockwise - just like the water in the terlet bowl. :rolleyes:

I can't see the reason for "training" in the opposite direction.

Ceya 07-01-06 03:16 PM

They changed it recently to improve the riding style. That is what was quoted in why the changed it.

S/F,
CEYA!
Strength and Honor!!

transplant 07-01-06 03:46 PM

sometimes i'll do laps clockwise just to mix it up ;-)

The Carpenter 07-01-06 04:38 PM

Once in a while we have our juniors do a "backwards" 30 lap points race. Needless to say our juniors have excellent bike handeling skills and that's the point of riding clockwise.

mickster 07-02-06 06:59 AM

Agreed. I was at the Herne Hill session yesterday (hi FP!) and found it really eye opening to do a few laps in the 'wrong' direction.
Coming down onto the black from high on the banking was particularly unnerving, and the different direction had me doing a double look over each shoulder a couple of times before daring to change my line. I think this was kind of the point of doing it - an exercise in not getting too complacent / lazy. Many of the newer less experienced riders seemed to deal dealt with the change of direction better than many of the regular guys.

mickster

LWaB 07-03-06 04:33 AM

A lot of tracks are assymetrical, the slopes are different on entry and exit of each turn. Riding in the reverse direction feels very odd.

Kiecker 07-03-06 08:21 PM

I really want to try ADT in reverse! 45 degrees of fun!

CafeRacer 07-15-06 05:40 AM


Originally Posted by Mike T.

I can't see the reason for "training" in the opposite direction.

So when your racing the mariposies backwards you know what to expect! HAHA

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The Carpenter 07-19-06 04:22 PM


Originally Posted by Kiecker
I really want to try ADT in reverse! 45 degrees of fun!

If Roger catches you, he'll ban you for life!!!!!!!!!!

kraftwerk 08-29-06 10:16 AM

it is a form of cross training, everyone should try it...

bdaghisallo 08-31-06 03:59 PM

The reason that velodrome racing goes counter clockwise and also does with track running and most oval auto racing is simple. The human heart is located slightly to the left side of the thorax. What this means is that the bodies centre of gravity is slightly left of the meridian that would bisect your body left and right. This means that you will corner better when turning to the left that when turning to the right.

mickster 08-31-06 04:53 PM


Originally Posted by bdaghisallo
The reason that velodrome racing goes counter clockwise and also does with track running and most oval auto racing is simple. The human heart is located slightly to the left side of the thorax. What this means is that the bodies centre of gravity is slightly left of the meridian that would bisect your body left and right. This means that you will corner better when turning to the left that when turning to the right.

bull****.
It's because, in the western hemisphere, the earth's gravitational field runs from left to right (eg water flows clockwise down the plughole); thus you will corner better when leaning into rather than away from the natural direction of magnetic flow.
That's why in the southern hemisphere (eg Australia) their athletes are at a disadvantage as they're forced to race in the same direction as the natural flow of the earth's magnetism - down under, it flows from right to left, yet they're still forced to ride counterclockwise. It impedes their cornering. This explains why the UK track squad regularly stuffs the Oz track squad at most World Cup / World Championship meets.








:D

mickster

dutret 08-31-06 08:22 PM

shouldn't it make them faster like training at altitude or something?

landrover4 09-02-06 04:22 AM


Originally Posted by mickster
bull****.
It's because, in the western hemisphere, the earth's gravitational field runs from left to right (eg water flows clockwise down the plughole); thus you will corner better when leaning into rather than away from the natural direction of magnetic flow.
mickster

yeah, the magnetic flow baby - that's why i always race with a crystal in my pocket.

Gray Dog 09-03-06 09:11 AM


The reason that velodrome racing goes counter clockwise and also does with track running and most oval auto racing is simple. The human heart is located slightly to the left side of the thorax. What this means is that the bodies centre of gravity is slightly left of the meridian that would bisect your body left and right. This means that you will corner better when turning to the left that when turning to the right

It's because, in the western hemisphere, the earth's gravitational field runs from left to right (eg water flows clockwise down the plughole); thus you will corner better when leaning into rather than away from the natural direction of magnetic flow.
Y'all are close...
  1. Water flows clockwise for all of us who live life right side up.
  2. Velodrome surfaces are made of wood.
  3. Water flows into trees in a clockwise direction (see #1)
  4. The grain in trees grows counter-clockwise so it can accept the water (see #3)
  5. Nails are steel and thus magnetic
  6. The grain of wood holds nails much better if they are inserted in the opposite direction of it
  7. The magnetic pull of the earth attracts the steel in the nails better when they are inserted against the grain of the wood.
  8. Track bikes are sooo fast that if they ran in the opposite direction, their traction would rip the boards right out of the floor.

And that's the real reason. :D

mickster 09-03-06 10:46 AM

gd - a good attempt to create a unified theory of track direction, encompassing as it does both materials science and what we've already clearly established about the primacy of the earth's gravitational pull. However, this still doesn't explain the overwhelming predominance of an antoclockwise direction on concrete, asphalt and other non-wood tracks. Surely it can't simply be a coincidence that we almost always go anticlcokwise around these too?

I think you need to expand yr theory some more. You're nearly there I feel.

mickster

Gray Dog 09-03-06 01:04 PM

I didn't address any of the other sports or surfaces since we all know that track cycling is the alpha and omega and all other sports merely follow its lead. :D

Gray Dog 09-03-06 01:10 PM

Mickster-I dare say your cousins on the bottom side of the world might have a dissenting opinion. Just remind them of Queen's Rules :p

mickster 09-03-06 02:43 PM

Heh-heh! I was hoping to tempt some of 'em out of the woodwork with my poorly disguised (and frankly untrue) attempts at intra-Commonwealth banter but they've clearly got better things to do with their time. Oh well, back on the rollers it is then... :rolleyes:

mickster

Mike T. 09-03-06 06:09 PM

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Who sezz all tracks run counter clockwise? World champ Gord Singleton and his oppo Jamie Shankland can't be wrong -

sivat 09-03-06 07:05 PM

Wow, they even went with left side drive to help them race backwards!

Mike T. 09-03-06 08:34 PM


Originally Posted by sivat
Wow, they even went with left side drive to help them race backwards!

There must be some benefit if they have to go to all that cost for a custom threaded rear hub & cog!

Gray Dog 09-04-06 10:44 AM

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I found this and thought it might clear up some of the confusion...:D

mickster 09-04-06 02:45 PM


Originally Posted by Mike T.
Who sezz all tracks run counter clockwise? World champ Gord Singleton and his oppo Jamie Shankland can't be wrong -

Mike - flips aside, is that a legit picture from Forest City?? If so, looks fairly recent judging from the bikes & GS's err, ruggedly weathered features... Or is that just the effect that 50 degree banking has on someone going as fast as Gord :)
If it was legit I'd have loved to have seen him riding there - reminds me of watching the likes of Matt Gilmore / Bruno Risi / Nothstein riding the Gent track at the 6 days last November. Incredible speed and spacial awareness on such a steep and narrow track...

mickster


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