Originally Posted by dutret
Ummm you have no clue what you are talking about the concept has the same geometry as the regular pista. So unless brake holes really offend your sensibilities that much a least one of them is a real track bike.
???? actually the concept it does quite well... well u cant compare that frame to any other old italian or english frame anyways... but I think you missunderstood a little bit... he asked for 3 bikes that arent track at all those are more like a SS bike.
Between the stuff I have possesed and used since i started racing when I was 12 y/o... legnano pista, Cinelli pista, Colnago master pista, I still have in my mom house's my Raleigh Professional track 1973 (i need to be specific with this one,) 2 Custom Del Valle's. Here in the US i got the chance to ride a couple of nagasawas and one 3 rensho that belongs to a friend. I have right now a tesch and a bianchi concept that I bought only to test the frame thats all... Modern track bikes are a little bit different and yes, the hole for the brakes it bothers me a little bit sometimes. Im not saying that u cant do racing with them, I saw Pavel Tankov several years ago win the road Junior WC riding a BED with Wheels... so my criteria is quite open.
The other thing is that after riden all those different racing machines do you you i would even think to pick some of the 3 bikes Bobby is asking for? those arent acceptable at all if you look at it. I know there is a big factor called MONEY just in the middle and to tell you the truth i have riden some of those frames also and they ride fine but not for serious track racing, as I said before those aren't my 1st choice at all.
Oh if you notice all the frames I have riden are totally differnet from each other, the only common factors are the BB hight, tight fork clearance and NO BRAKES HOLES AT ALLLLLLLLL hehehe
Oh well im going to stop in here because many are getting tired