Cycling and bicycle discussion forums. 
   Click here to join our community Log in to access your Control Panel  


Go Back   > >

Track Cycling: Velodrome Racing and Training Area Looking to enter into the realm of track racing? Want to share your experiences and tactics for riding on a velodrome? The Track Cycling forums is for you! Come in and discuss training/racing, equipment, and current track cycling events.

User Tag List

Reply
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread
Old 08-17-08, 03:02 AM   #1
Ben the bike
Junior Member
Thread Starter
 
Join Date: Aug 2007
Location: Australia, Queensland, Mackay
Bikes: ckt carbon track, pogliagi fixie, cell carbon road
Posts: 17
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
What is Chris Hoy doing?

Can any one tell me what Chris Hoy is doing to produce these incredible times? I am referring soley to training, and what he may use on his bike, i.e. chain ring combination, I do not want to entertain any negative language regarding cheating/substance abuse, positive language only.
Ben the bike is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-17-08, 04:13 AM   #2
I saw Elvis
Senior Member
 
I saw Elvis's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2005
Location: Looking for some hills
Bikes: Colnago
Posts: 379
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Quote:
Originally Posted by Ben the bike View Post
Can any one tell me what Chris Hoy is doing to produce these incredible times? I am referring soley to training, and what he may use on his bike, i.e. chain ring combination, I do not want to entertain any negative language regarding cheating/substance abuse, positive language only.
It's probably worth reading 'Heros Villains and Velodromes', written by Richard Moore, there are no specific details about the bike in there, but a lot about the process that British Cycling employ to get where it is.

Chris puts in a vast amount of training and everything the team does is geared to achieving Gold. Chris Boardman was on TV this morning talking about the success and said the approach is 'Is this process going to help win Gold? No, why are doing it', 'Is this person capable of winning Gold? No, well why are they here'. It's tough but it pays off
I saw Elvis is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-19-08, 09:46 AM   #3
Artmo
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Feb 2005
Location: SW Florida
Bikes: '04 Trek 2300; '06 Bianchi Pista; '57 Maclean; '10 Scott CR1 Pro; 2005 Trek 2000 Tandem; '09 Comotion Macchiato Tandem; 199? Novara Road; 2014 Cannondale T2 tandem
Posts: 1,294
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 16 Post(s)
Since the last Olympics, the Brits have focussed on winning in cycling. They have had millions of pounds from from the national lottery and have superb facilities in Manchester The Brits have more world titles in cycling than any other country. In the past, cycling has been the poor relation - no more!!
Artmo is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-19-08, 10:52 AM   #4
AlexTaylor
Snail-paced new boy
 
AlexTaylor's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2007
Location: Cheshire, England
Bikes: Colnago Extreme Power, Ribble Winter
Posts: 1,829
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
The brits follow the doctrine of what is called something like, I think, cumulative gains. If doing something adds just a tiny percent they do it. This together with lots of other little extra percentages mounts up. It's not just in training but in lifestyle and nutrition etc.

This is also shown in the development of the bikes, every single little component was looked at to see if it could be improved upon since the world champs...
AlexTaylor is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-19-08, 01:22 PM   #5
Bantam
Senior Member
 
Bantam's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2007
Location: South Carolina
Bikes: Trek 1500
Posts: 1,187
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Quote:
Originally Posted by Ben the bike View Post
What is Chris Hoy doing?
Winning...

But I would be interested in reading "Heros Villains and Velodromes" for some insight.
You may also appreciate the essay written by the Aussie coach.
Bantam is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-19-08, 01:22 PM   #6
Artmo
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Feb 2005
Location: SW Florida
Bikes: '04 Trek 2300; '06 Bianchi Pista; '57 Maclean; '10 Scott CR1 Pro; 2005 Trek 2000 Tandem; '09 Comotion Macchiato Tandem; 199? Novara Road; 2014 Cannondale T2 tandem
Posts: 1,294
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 16 Post(s)
When I was working, we used to call it "process improvement," whereby we examined every aspect of our work processes and analysed them to death. We then determined the best way of caarying out the process, documented it for everyone using it to follow, then kept charts of process measurements so that we could see how we were performing and always looking to improve on the numbers. It seems to me that Brit cycling is using a similar approach. It worked for us and it's certainly working for British Cycling.
Artmo is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-20-08, 02:17 AM   #7
comptechgsr
scraper bikes
 
Join Date: Sep 2007
Location: NYC and SF Bay Area
Bikes: eddy mercxier kilo tt
Posts: 185
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
bangers, eel pie, and spotted dick....

i wish i could find a spot in northern ca that served eel pie =(((

will settle for unadon
comptechgsr is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-20-08, 05:15 AM   #8
BigMig
Built only for Kilo.
 
Join Date: Oct 2007
Location: Germany
Bikes:
Posts: 19
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Chris Hoy trains for the Olympic Games in London in 2012.
BigMig is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-20-08, 05:28 AM   #9
Soil_Sampler
A little North of Hell
 
Join Date: Mar 2006
Bikes:
Posts: 4,821
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 25 Post(s)
eats Haggis.
Soil_Sampler is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-20-08, 05:52 AM   #10
limeylew
Senior Member
 
limeylew's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2008
Location: Benbrook Texas
Bikes: A 3-speed fixed, a single speed (freewheel), etc.
Posts: 276
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
What is Chris Hoy doing?

Quote:
Originally Posted by Ben the bike View Post
Can any one tell me what Chris Hoy is doing to produce these incredible times? I am referring soley to training, and what he may use on his bike, i.e. chain ring combination, I do not want to entertain any negative language regarding cheating/substance abuse, positive language only.
Well, he's Scottish, so it's probably all the Haggis he eats that makes him so awesome.
limeylew is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-20-08, 12:04 PM   #11
I saw Elvis
Senior Member
 
I saw Elvis's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2005
Location: Looking for some hills
Bikes: Colnago
Posts: 379
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Quote:
Originally Posted by AlexTaylor View Post
The brits follow the doctrine of what is called something like, I think, cumulative gains. If doing something adds just a tiny percent they do it. This together with lots of other little extra percentages mounts up. It's not just in training but in lifestyle and nutrition etc.

This is also shown in the development of the bikes, every single little component was looked at to see if it could be improved upon since the world champs...
It's called the aggregation of marginal gains Dave Brailsford (British Cycling performance director) was asked if any gain on it's own made a difference and he said 'probably not' 'but put them all together.....'

BC also have a policy of questioning every process and procedure and basically asking 'Is this going to help win medals? If not why are we doing it?'

Actually there are plenty of stories about Chris Hoys training, In one an Australian coach was filming him train, he was making sprint efforts so hard that they left him retching afterwards. He just kept repeating the whole process, with identical results, several times - the coach in question was so impressed that he used the film of the trainng session to show his team the meaning of hard work.

Last edited by I saw Elvis; 08-20-08 at 12:08 PM.
I saw Elvis is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-16-08, 09:03 AM   #12
SpeedFreek
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Sep 2008
Bikes: Medici road, Fisher MTB
Posts: 50
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
I don't know the medical reason why sprinting really hard makes one hurl, but, it does. In the old days when I raced, we used to compare different styles employed by various hurlers after a prime sprint, i.e. over the shoulder, under the arm, etc. An Australian I got to know pretty well, Jeff Leslie, was a good barfer. He employed going to the roadside, and just retch like mad. Body builders used to call it "The barf bucket method of training." Some folks are more prone to this than others, but I don't see it too much anymore. But, if Chris Hoy does, then maybe it will come back into style. I can only hope so. It provides a real indicator of just how intense the sport can be!! Later.
SpeedFreek is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-16-08, 07:20 PM   #13
mezza
Senior Member
 
mezza's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2006
Location: On the intramaweb thing.
Bikes: Steel geared. Steel Fix.
Posts: 1,016
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Its been said that barfing has something to do with extreme amounts of Lactic acid in your system, I have no idea if its true or not but it seems to make sense.

If he consistently goes to that level then he's often going to a level that other riders won't go to. Therefore he trains harder, therfore he wins.
mezza is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-18-08, 11:11 AM   #14
rensho3
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Aug 2008
Location: Santa Ana
Bikes: Fuji Elite, 3Rensho track, Trek Madone 6.9, Specialized MTB, GT MTB, Cannondale Cad3 fixie
Posts: 145
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 14 Post(s)
One of the coaches in So. Calif. used to, and maybe still does, run weeking ergo-trainer sessions in his garage. They were appropriately named "Bucket Rides."
rensho3 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-22-08, 09:57 PM   #15
bitterspeak
Cat 7 Pro
 
Join Date: Jun 2008
Bikes: Fuji Roubaix Pro
Posts: 448
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
You need thighs that are bigger than your waist.
bitterspeak is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-23-08, 08:26 PM   #16
Mike T.
Upstanding member.
 
Mike T.'s Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2005
Location: Ontario Canada
Bikes: Argon18 road, Seven mtb, Marinoni track, Masi dirt road bike, Marinoni cyclocross.
Posts: 447
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Quote:
Originally Posted by Ben the bike View Post
Can any one tell me what Chris Hoy is doing to produce these incredible times?
What's he doing? Training harder than anyone else, that's what he's doing. A recent copy of Cycling Weekly had a few pages on his program and showed him training in a room of the Manchester Vel. He was on the Cateye doing flat out intervals. Next to the bike is a mattress on the floor. When he completes an interval he can't sit on the bike anymore so his coach helps him roll off onto the mattress where he recovers. Then he repeats it over & over. Beat that.
Mike T. is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-24-08, 10:17 AM   #17
joshvegas
Member
 
Join Date: Sep 2008
Bikes:
Posts: 33
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
I can tell you what he is doing on friday, teaching me

Sorry I know its offtopic I just thought I'd say as it will be my first time on a track I'm quite excited
joshvegas is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-26-08, 07:44 AM   #18
BigMig
Built only for Kilo.
 
Join Date: Oct 2007
Location: Germany
Bikes:
Posts: 19
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mike T. View Post
A recent copy of Cycling Weekly had a few pages on his program and showed him training in a room of the Manchester Vel. He was on the Cateye doing flat out intervals. Next to the bike is a mattress on the floor. When he completes an interval he can't sit on the bike anymore so his coach helps him roll off onto the mattress where he recovers. Then he repeats it over & over. Beat that.
AWESOME - and worth to know!

Can You post a link or an document, plz?
BigMig is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-26-08, 09:53 AM   #19
fordfasterr
One speed: FAST !
 
fordfasterr's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2005
Location: Ft. Lauderdale FL
Bikes: Ebay Bikes... =)
Posts: 3,375
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Quote:
Originally Posted by joshvegas View Post
I can tell you what he is doing on friday, teaching me

Sorry I know its offtopic I just thought I'd say as it will be my first time on a track I'm quite excited

WHAT ?


Pics or it didn't happen.
fordfasterr is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-26-08, 01:36 PM   #20
thiskidgotmoxie
Dazzler
 
thiskidgotmoxie's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2006
Location: Worldwide
Bikes: All of them
Posts: 197
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Quote:
Originally Posted by fordfasterr View Post
Pics or it didn't happen.
Agreed!
thiskidgotmoxie is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-26-08, 04:01 PM   #21
joshvegas
Member
 
Join Date: Sep 2008
Bikes:
Posts: 33
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
My dad won a competition that Addidas (Ithink) was running.

A demand for pics is fair enough I guess I'll see what I can do. Do I have to be in the photo? I may be dwarfed by his legs!
joshvegas is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-26-08, 07:00 PM   #22
thiskidgotmoxie
Dazzler
 
thiskidgotmoxie's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2006
Location: Worldwide
Bikes: All of them
Posts: 197
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
You have to be in the photo, holding a copy of that day's newspaper...
thiskidgotmoxie is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-26-08, 07:03 PM   #23
joshvegas
Member
 
Join Date: Sep 2008
Bikes:
Posts: 33
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Anything else? Signed certificate of authentification from chris and two other witnsses?lol
joshvegas is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-26-08, 10:41 PM   #24
fordfasterr
One speed: FAST !
 
fordfasterr's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2005
Location: Ft. Lauderdale FL
Bikes: Ebay Bikes... =)
Posts: 3,375
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Chris Hoy has been on my home track, but I didn't know about his visit or I would have been there...

Pics are here.
fordfasterr is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-27-08, 06:29 AM   #25
BigMig
Built only for Kilo.
 
Join Date: Oct 2007
Location: Germany
Bikes:
Posts: 19
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Quote:
Originally Posted by fordfasterr View Post
Chris Hoy has been on my home track, but I didn't know about his visit or I would have been there...

Pics are here.
Wow, he looks shaped and shredded!
BigMig is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply


Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off



All times are GMT -6. The time now is 01:07 PM.