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Old 01-17-09, 04:04 PM   #1
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rear wheel build

Just recently I learned of the beginner track nights, and classes at the local velodrome Marymoor park and am looking forward to starting up and learning this following season.

My question is: I Just had my rear hub strip and so am in the process of building a new wheel. I do intend to ride in urban, as well as velodrome and all weather. My interest initially in track has so far been sprints and miss and out races, though I'm sure that may shift.

Can anyone offer some advice as to a build for a rear wheel? My last wheel from a friends suggestion was a deep v laced to a dimension, which I've found seems to be common in the street fixed gear circle. I was looking at the Miche hub, but it seems people find it so-so. Also for rims, and spoke count/patterns?

I understand the principle behind buying the best quality for cost in the long run, but I am a college student, who also invest in other forms of racing that I am already more deeply involved in and is as of now my main thing. Are Dimension and Miche then going to be my best options for this type of riding and price range for now until I can commit a bike to track and not be thrashing it in the rain/snow/sand before taking it to the track?
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Old 01-17-09, 04:20 PM   #2
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Miche hubs are better than Dimensions, but Formula is better than both of them, if only for the fact that it's more affordable than Miche and better looking than Dimension. It's a pretty ideal value/price intersection.

Deep Vs aren't that great a rim. I prefer Open Pros, because they're lighter and eyeletted. They are strong rims and I've used them for every day use as well as for track racing.

32hole, 3-cross is a standard strong lacing pattern. You can go for fewer spokes (28 2 cross) if you'd like but if it's going to be your only wheel might as well get the insurance of a few more spokes.

Building up a new wheel, however, might not be your best bet if you're trying to save as much money as you can. There are lots of Formula hub laced to whatever servicable rim wheels floating around just waiting for you to buy 'em. Check craigslist, keep your ears to the ground of your local bike scene, and browse the forums. You'll find something.

However, if you don't have time, making a run to your bike shop will be your quickest bet.

There's gonna be nothing stopping you from using one wheel for all your purposes. You can ensure that it will serve you well for all purposes by maintaining it well - keeping it tensioned and trued, keeping it fairly clean, greasing the hubthreads, etc.

One suggestion. Whatever hub you get, get it doublesided. Ride to the track on your 17t cog and flip it around to race on your 15.
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I'll second the double-sided, and note that since you want to use it on the street you should get one that can take a lockring on both sides. Some are made for a freewheel on one side and fixed on the other, and only can take a lockring on one side.

the other thing to keep in mind when you're starting is equipment compatibility-- the miche mounts cogs more like on a freehub and is incompatible with what most people use, so if you're on a budget and sometimes find you need to borrow different sized cogs from people then the formula is better. It would also mean that you'd have to get all miche hubs as you expand your collection, or buy new cogs when you start to accumulate some threaded hubs.
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Old 01-18-09, 07:27 AM   #4
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Thanks for the guidance, I'll look around and see whats out there. I have a little time, since I have workable wheel that I got in a trade, I just worry about its own longevity, I had yet to even put any time on it.

I was already looking at fix-fix which was one of the reasons I was looking at the Miche because the building site I was looking at had those, good to know about the compatibility though. I had read that their lockring sizing was different, but hadnt thought about the fact the cog threading may be that same way.

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The Miche hub is *not* incompatible with anything. They have a splined cog/carrier system that threads onto their hub (and other hubs, as well), which is threaded and will accept ordinary track cogs.

Additionally, the fact that they have an italian-threaded lockring means that they use one of two dominant standards. Miche, Campagnolo, or Phil Wood lockrings will work. Dura-Ace and no-name ones will not.

But avoid Campag lockrings. They are soft and will get chewed up.
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Miche hub:



miche splined cog/carrier system:

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I want to make sure I'm understanding this right, a typical cog can thread onto the Miche hub without any extra components? And only if you want to use a Miche cog do you need their carrier system then in addition?
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Yes, that's correct.
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Okay, thanks for all the help. I'll browse around and see what is available or becomes available in coming month or two. Maybe I'll have a better advantage of having more funds available too.
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cool - I've never seen one up close, but have seen more than one person wander around looking to borrow a miche cog, and they never said they could just unscrew their adapter and put on a regular cog.
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I've just come across a wheelset for $450 that is dt swiss RR 1.2 laced to phil wood hubs, anyone have any thoughts?

I'm sure this is a beefy, heavy wheel set but does the quality for the price make this a deal that I should go after?
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i'm using the miche carrier/cog system on a set of formula hubs on 50mm carbon rims, and also on a miche primato disc wheel.

i made the change after playing around with one on a bike i bought for my son, that had it on there already.

after skinning my knuckles about 100 times over the years pulling normal cogs after a month of so when you've done, oh i don't know upwards of 50 standing sprint starts, all i can say is that the miche system seriously kicks ass. no more chain whips, just a lock ring tool, and the lockring doesn't tighten with use like a screw on cog, so changes are far (far, far, far) easier.
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Yo that's a pretty nice deal for those dtswiss rims and the phils, I'd go for that, because phils are both very durable and extremely high quality, and you can't go wrong with dtswiss
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