CF vs. Ti
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CF vs. Ti
OK, here I go. Looking for a very stiff bike. Already have aluminum track. Looking at Calfee (Carbon fiber) and Merlin (Ti). Want the custom measurement which both offer. What builder of these two, in your opinion, will produce the better track bike?
BTW - I weigh approx. 250. Talk about crossing over several forums.
Thanks all.
BTW - I weigh approx. 250. Talk about crossing over several forums.
Thanks all.
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I knew of a rider about your size who, towards the end of his career, was picked up by a team that had Merlins for their road squad. They insisted on providing him with a Ti frame. By the time they had gotten him one he felt he could ride and feel secure on, the frame weighed POUNDS more than his previous steel frame.
You may find your thing in CF, but probably not in Ti. Ti bumps into the same tube diameter/wall thickness limits as steel when trying to make it light and rigid.
You may find your thing in CF, but probably not in Ti. Ti bumps into the same tube diameter/wall thickness limits as steel when trying to make it light and rigid.
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how tall are you? just wondering why you want custom. In Carbon there are some great stock bikes available that will be stiff enough for your weight.
BT stealth does come with a 59cm top tube.
BT stealth does come with a 59cm top tube.
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Tom Kellogg designed this and it's an absolute stiff monster, but very comfy on the road as well. I've not ridden a carbon so I can't say how it relates. It's not a superlight weight, but it so stiff and agile that it moves like a lighter frame. I'm 190lb and 5'11"
This is my street setup
This is my street setup
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CF. Why if Ti tends to be flexy on a road bike would you expect it to be stiff on a track bike? Furthermore most, if not all, world class (read extremely POWERerful) cyclists use CF frames. Makes it kind of obvious which one is superior for a stiff track frame...
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World class cyclists are sponsored. They ride whatever the sponsor is trying to sell to *YOU*. Sponsors aren't interested in selling you a Ti bike. Ti lasts too long and they want you to consider bikes a disposable commodity rather than a long term purchase.
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And as a racer, anything I'm on in a race is a disposable commodity. I've seen too much equipment destroyed to think otherwise.
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All of which is a long way of suggestion that the average track racer either buy a steel frame and standard wheels, or take out a line of credit.
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I went to a world cup event at ADT a while back and was utterly shocked at how poorly the bikes held up in crashes. The last time I was at a world class track event everyone was still riding lugged steel and serious bike damage was extremely rare. But at the world cup event it seems like every time there was a fall you'd see broken forks bouncing down the track, handlebars headed in the other direction, fragments of carbon rims flying around... I was flabbergasted.
All of which is a long way of suggestion that the average track racer either buy a steel frame and standard wheels, or take out a line of credit.
All of which is a long way of suggestion that the average track racer either buy a steel frame and standard wheels, or take out a line of credit.
My super-heavy steel Pinarello has survived some pretty hard crashes, but they also laughed at me at weigh-in... Some of the CF bikes hold up quite well in crashes-- I've seen some Looks and BTs go down very hard and come up fine-- they're also not lightweight. The Mavic wheels seem pretty fragile, though.
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Ummm.. World Class Track cycling is meausred in 0.001 sec and is worth personally many $$$ or Euros etc to riders that don't have large contracts. You ride either what you are sponsored by or "REBADGE" your own CF or Ti bike and have your sponsors name on it. If personal $$ and world records are on the line you ride the fastest bike...period!
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There are a few high-end "white label" bike manufacturers out there. I own a Shaklee Team bike that has "Marin" stickers all over it. Marin doesn't make track bikes and they didn't even make this one special for the team. They just outsourced it to Billato in Italy.
On a related note, I played on the JR tennis circuit in HS around the same time that Andre Aggasi became popular. He played with Prince racquet all his career until he got sponsored by Head (I think). The thing is, Head didn't make a racquet that Aggasi liked. So, until the Head engineers made him a racquet that he liked he played with a Prince with Head logos.
Most manufacturers see the racer's bike as ad space more so than showing off their wares. I'm sure that most spectators didn't know that the bike above wasn't made by Marin.
On a related note, I played on the JR tennis circuit in HS around the same time that Andre Aggasi became popular. He played with Prince racquet all his career until he got sponsored by Head (I think). The thing is, Head didn't make a racquet that Aggasi liked. So, until the Head engineers made him a racquet that he liked he played with a Prince with Head logos.
Most manufacturers see the racer's bike as ad space more so than showing off their wares. I'm sure that most spectators didn't know that the bike above wasn't made by Marin.