Cycling and bicycle discussion forums. 
   Click here to join our community Log in to access your Control Panel  


Go Back   > >

Track Cycling: Velodrome Racing and Training Area Looking to enter into the realm of track racing? Want to share your experiences and tactics for riding on a velodrome? The Track Cycling forums is for you! Come in and discuss training/racing, equipment, and current track cycling events.

User Tag List

Reply
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread
Old 05-02-09, 09:24 PM   #1
mzeffex 
Senior Member
Thread Starter
 
mzeffex's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2009
Location: Fort Collins, CO
Bikes: A Tarmac, a TCR, a Tipo Uno, a Grand Prix Luxe, an Anthem, a Norcross, a Claud Butler, and an SLM 2.0
Posts: 9,417
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Difference between a track bike and fixed gear?

I just looked through every page of the post your track bike thread, and many people got discrimination for that they were supposed to post in the ss/fg forum. Whats the difference?
mzeffex is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-03-09, 12:41 AM   #2
bitingduck
Senior Member
 
bitingduck's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2005
Bikes:
Posts: 3,054
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Not necessarily much difference in the bike, but often a lot of difference in how you set it up and ride it. People who are riding fixed gears on the streets tend to ask questions that people who ride primarily on the track don't know (or necessarily even care) much about.
__________________
Track - the other off-road
http://www.lavelodrome.org
bitingduck is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-03-09, 06:43 AM   #3
bonechilling
Run What 'Ya Brung
 
bonechilling's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2006
Bikes:
Posts: 5,694
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
To answer your question, the difference is that this forum is about cycling in a velodrome and the training surrounding that, whereas SS/FG is about riding a fixed gear on the streets. If a bike isn't intended to be ridden in a velodrome, the owner may have been reminded that this is not the forum for them.
bonechilling is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-04-09, 10:19 AM   #4
mzeffex 
Senior Member
Thread Starter
 
mzeffex's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2009
Location: Fort Collins, CO
Bikes: A Tarmac, a TCR, a Tipo Uno, a Grand Prix Luxe, an Anthem, a Norcross, a Claud Butler, and an SLM 2.0
Posts: 9,417
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Ah alright.
mzeffex is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-04-09, 11:39 AM   #5
RunninWild
Member
 
Join Date: Mar 2009
Location: Boise, ID
Bikes: Felt TK2
Posts: 35
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
what if I plan to ride mine on the street and sometimes take it to a velodrome? who do I talk to haha
RunninWild is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-04-09, 01:23 PM   #6
eriksbliss
I'm so much cooler online
 
eriksbliss's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2006
Location: San Diego
Bikes:
Posts: 297
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Quote:
Originally Posted by RunninWild View Post
what if I plan to ride mine on the street and sometimes take it to a velodrome? who do I talk to haha
Either a mechanic or a lawyer. Because you can't use a brake on the velodrome, and it's illegal in many states to ride on the street without a brake. So you'll either need someone to show you how to take the brake off when you get to the track, or to defend your ticket for having ridden there without it.
eriksbliss is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-04-09, 05:27 PM   #7
RunninWild
Member
 
Join Date: Mar 2009
Location: Boise, ID
Bikes: Felt TK2
Posts: 35
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
It's legal to ride with no brakes in my state. The worries I have is finding a wheel that is good for the track that won't explode on the street. I'm thinking the mavic ellipse or a bontrager. Any suggestions?
RunninWild is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-04-09, 06:04 PM   #8
andr0id
Senior Member
 
andr0id's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2009
Bikes:
Posts: 2,010
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 2 Post(s)
Quote:
Originally Posted by RunninWild View Post
It's legal to ride with no brakes in my state. The worries I have is finding a wheel that is good for the track that won't explode on the street. I'm thinking the mavic ellipse or a bontrager. Any suggestions?
Dura Ace high or low flange laced to a 32 hole medium profile rim like a Kinlin 30 is very general purpose if you want to run clinchers on the track and street. It's got a braking surface so you can add brakes on later if you decide you need them.
andr0id is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-05-09, 04:05 PM   #9
The Carpenter
Banned.
 
Join Date: May 2004
Location: Orange County, California
Bikes:
Posts: 508
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
As for the bikes, the difference is that a TRUE TRACK BIKE has geometry that suits riding on a velodrome. It will handle differently than a road bike. Track bikes don't handle very well on the road. That's why most "fixed gear" bikes are either converted road bikes or track style frames with road bike geometry.
Most of the track style "fixies" can be ridden on the track. It depends on the geometry and the track. We have had people show up at the track to ride what they thought was a track bike, only to find out that particular bike wont work on our track.
The Carpenter is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-05-09, 04:08 PM   #10
The Carpenter
Banned.
 
Join Date: May 2004
Location: Orange County, California
Bikes:
Posts: 508
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Quote:
Originally Posted by RunninWild View Post
what if I plan to ride mine on the street and sometimes take it to a velodrome? who do I talk to haha
When you have questions about riding it on the road, go to the fg/ss forum.
When you have questions about riding it on a velodrome, come here.
The Carpenter is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-05-09, 04:25 PM   #11
The Carpenter
Banned.
 
Join Date: May 2004
Location: Orange County, California
Bikes:
Posts: 508
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Quote:
Originally Posted by RunninWild View Post
It's legal to ride with no brakes in my state. The worries I have is finding a wheel that is good for the track that won't explode on the street. I'm thinking the mavic ellipse or a bontrager. Any suggestions?
Being that you're 400+ miles from the nearest velodrome (Alpenrose) makes me think you wont be riding there very often. If you are just getting started on the velodrome, I would recommend that you use the wheel(s) that you are using on the street.

Alpenrose is a very steep track, so don't be surprised if your street fixie can't be ridden there. You may have to keep a higher minimum speed in the turns than everyone else, to keep from clipping your pedal.
The Carpenter is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-06-09, 06:23 AM   #12
RunninWild
Member
 
Join Date: Mar 2009
Location: Boise, ID
Bikes: Felt TK2
Posts: 35
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
they are in the process of building a velodrome that will be 20 miles away from me. One main reason i'm interested in it is because it will be new so I should be at the same n00b level as a lot of other guys
RunninWild is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-06-09, 07:25 AM   #13
Pista Largo
********
 
Join Date: Jun 2007
Bikes: Bianchi, Trek, Another Trek, Raleigh, Fuji and Santana and another Santana
Posts: 157
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Somehow, "Miss and Out in Boise" sounds like a country-western title to me.
Pista Largo is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-06-09, 08:27 AM   #14
RunninWild
Member
 
Join Date: Mar 2009
Location: Boise, ID
Bikes: Felt TK2
Posts: 35
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
haha probably is



yeeee haaaaw!
RunninWild is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-09-09, 05:46 AM   #15
carpediemracing
Super Moderator
 
Join Date: Feb 2007
Location: Tariffville, CT
Bikes: Tsunami Bikes
Posts: 14,415
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Quick note - some track forks are made with round tubing, not oval tubing (oriented front-rear). They're not meant to absorb significant impacts generated by potholes, curbs, and such.

Okay, I know that my fork (a steel one) was built like that, but it's really old. I think the newer bikes have normal oval profile fork blades.

cdr
carpediemracing is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-09-09, 10:11 PM   #16
bitingduck
Senior Member
 
bitingduck's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2005
Bikes:
Posts: 3,054
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Quote:
Originally Posted by carpediemracing View Post
Quick note - some track forks are made with round tubing, not oval tubing (oriented front-rear). They're not meant to absorb significant impacts generated by potholes, curbs, and such.
You apparently haven't ridden many of the concrete tracks...

Most track bikes with round fork tubes are likely from the same era as steel road bikes with the same round tubes. More modern track bikes tend to have forks similar in construction to modern road bikes, and do just fine with similar vertical loads. Front to back loads on any fork (as from a crash) will tend to make it unhappy though...
__________________
Track - the other off-road
http://www.lavelodrome.org
bitingduck is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-10-09, 05:53 AM   #17
Baby Puke
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Sep 2008
Location: San Francisco, CA
Bikes: Marin Stelvio, Pogliaghi SL, Panasonic NJS, Dolan DF3, Intense Pro24 BMX
Posts: 1,000
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
I see mostly round tube forks on keirin bikes here in Japan. May have something to do with NJS regulations. Whatever, I think it looks cool.
Baby Puke is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-11-09, 12:39 PM   #18
carpediemracing
Super Moderator
 
Join Date: Feb 2007
Location: Tariffville, CT
Bikes: Tsunami Bikes
Posts: 14,415
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Quote:
Originally Posted by bitingduck View Post
You apparently haven't ridden many of the concrete tracks...

Most track bikes with round fork tubes are likely from the same era as steel road bikes with the same round tubes. More modern track bikes tend to have forks similar in construction to modern road bikes, and do just fine with similar vertical loads. Front to back loads on any fork (as from a crash) will tend to make it unhappy though...
I've only ridden at T-Town ('92 I think) and NEV. TTown was relatively smooth (I remember one big bump each lap) but NEV is an ex-kart track and has lotsa bumps.

I pointed this out because someone pointed out to me that I wouldn't want to ride a round blade track fork on the road because the fork will bend earlier than a road fork.

And yes I have a round tube steel frame to match the round tube fork.

cdr
carpediemracing is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply


Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off



All times are GMT -6. The time now is 11:35 PM.