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    Track racing is easy.

    It's easy. Discuss.

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    Racing is easy. Racing well is not.

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    Racing is supposed to be easy. All you have to do is train hard enough.

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    Road is easier.

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    Quote Originally Posted by andre nickatina View Post
    Road is easier.

    That goes without saying!

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    Quote Originally Posted by andre nickatina View Post
    Road is easier.
    Not true.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Frunkin View Post
    Not true.
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    70 mile RR > 25 lap points race. Fact.

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    Then why are 99% of roadies that live near a track AFRAID to try it?!?!?!?!?!?!?!

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    Let me guess, you were able to get on a track and made a few laps and passed some people that were not putting in much effort? That isn't exactly racing.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Frunkin View Post
    70 mile RR > 25 lap points race. Fact.

    70 mile road race -- 70 miles of milling about with boring roadies dicking with gears, brakes, piss breaks, clif bars and complaining that the you wanted cytomax, not gatorade in your bottle.

    Points race -- non-stop action, and putting fear into the roadies watching from the stands and holding hads with each other.
    "You've got to be willing to rip it all apart. Including yourself."
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dannihilator View Post
    Let me guess, you were able to get on a track and made a few laps and passed some people that were not putting in much effort? That isn't exactly racing.
    Close. I was batting .500 for wins in my first two nights at the track. I got upgraded to the 3's and won there too.

    Quote Originally Posted by MGtrack
    70 mile road race -- 70 miles of milling about with boring roadies dicking with gears, brakes, piss breaks, clif bars and complaining that the you wanted cytomax, not gatorade in your bottle.
    Not true. Try rolling break in a race like that. Milling about and being pack fill isn't racing.

    Quote Originally Posted by MGtrack
    Points race -- non-stop action, and putting fear into the roadies watching from the stands and holding hads with each other.
    True, aside from striking fear in to roadie's hearts.

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    You were lucky then.2's and 1's will likely be tougher.
    Strike like an eagle and sacrifice the dove.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dannihilator View Post
    You were lucky then.2's and 1's will likely be tougher.
    I was drunk when I started this thread but decided to see how it went. And I actually don't think it was easy, but my roadie strength and experience helped get me through the 4/5's. 3's are much more my level.

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    [QUOTE=Frunkin;9581075]I was drunk when I started this thread/QUOTE]


    This tells me that it is best to just ignore you.
    "You've got to be willing to rip it all apart. Including yourself."
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    Quote Originally Posted by Frunkin View Post
    I was drunk when I started this thread but decided to see how it went. And I actually don't think it was easy
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    Quote Originally Posted by Frunkin View Post
    I was drunk when I started this thread but decided to see how it went. And I actually don't think it was easy, but my roadie strength and experience helped get me through the 4/5's. 3's are much more my level.
    Well, what cat are you on the road?

    Quote Originally Posted by Frunkin View Post
    70 mile RR > 25 lap points race. Fact.
    I'd take the points race actually. But I prefer my racing an hour or less.

    Quote Originally Posted by Frunkin View Post
    Not true.
    Well, in my experience it's a lot easier to sit in the group in road racing/crits and be pushing air a lot less. At the track you're never far from the front and here, without fail, the racing goes to "race pace" pretty much from the *** after neutral lap. I haven't done any real road races since the spring though, just crits/hill circuits/car track circuits.

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    I think track racing is way easier than road racing. I'm not the fastest dude but I can win track races pretty easily with some strategy, while I never do anything but finish like 35th in road races, since no matter how hard I work, there's anyway some hammerhead who will crush me in the last half mile.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bonechilling View Post
    I think track racing is way easier than road racing. I'm not the fastest dude but I can win track races pretty easily with some strategy, while I never do anything but finish like 35th in road races, since no matter how hard I work, there's anyway some hammerhead who will crush me in the last half mile.
    This.

    And I'm a 3 on the road. But I've never gotten a win on the road.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bonechilling View Post
    I think track racing is way easier than road racing. I'm not the fastest dude but I can win track races pretty easily with some strategy, while I never do anything but finish like 35th in road races, since no matter how hard I work, there's anyway some hammerhead who will crush me in the last half mile.

    How many match sprints have you won? What were your flying 200m and race 200m times? What's your time in the Kilo, or the individual pursuit? Team pursuit?

    See that's the thing about track -- it's pretty easy to separate who is fast and who is not objectively.
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    Quote Originally Posted by iluvfreebeer View Post

    See that's the thing about track -- it's pretty easy to separate who is fast and who is not objectively.
    same with road TTs.

    Mass start and TT are entirely different types of races. I know strong TTers who can't mass start, and strong mass starters who can't TT, and sprinters who can't race more than 3 laps (mabe 8 if they have a motorbike to pace them...)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Frunkin View Post
    This.

    And I'm a 3 on the road. But I've never gotten a win on the road.
    Well sounds like you should have been crushing 4's and 5's anyway then.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bitingduck View Post
    same with road TTs.

    Mass start and TT are entirely different types of races. I know strong TTers who can't mass start, and strong mass starters who can't TT, and sprinters who can't race more than 3 laps (mabe 8 if they have a motorbike to pace them...)
    Yes that's true. But the Sprint, Kilo and pursuit are standardized distances. They tell a lot about speed. To win match spints at a high level tells a lot about bike skills and speed. Keiring tells a lot about all of it.

    They're all different skill sets. As a sprinter I took great joy in winning sprints, but winnng madisons and keirins made me really proud because they were stretching my abilities.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MGtrack View Post
    They're all different skill sets. As a sprinter I took great joy in winning sprints, but winnng madisons and keirins made me really proud because they were stretching my abilities.
    I'm mostly a points/scratch/madison racer. Beating a bunch of sprinters who have a second or more on me over 200 meters in a 6 lap race always entertains me. Speed isn't everything.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bitingduck View Post
    ...sprinters who can't race more than 3 laps (mabe 8 if they have a motorbike to pace them...)
    Me. Minus a lap.

    +1 on being proud of winning one Keirin so far (heat + final, for the B racers), because in the prior Keirin I couldn't even stay with the group behind the moto. Oddly enough I got annihilated in the Match Sprint against the same guys, and I thought I'd be better in that event.

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