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Old 03-20-10, 03:41 PM   #1
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picking the best parts and new bikes

So I'm new to this bike forum but Ive been using forums for years. From VW cars, Fishing and hunting, music, computer and tech. One thing that Ive seen in all the forums is every one asks the same thing. Most people are looking for the best bike and the best parts. everyone seams to have a different thing to say. But as Ive seen here and all other forums one is left feeling more lost and not know what to do.
Ive spent the last year looking for the right bike to buy in the that time i built a fixie for the streets of Minneapolis. Witch I enjoy now that the snow has all melted and the temp is above 30. I have a velodrome 15 miles from my home and still no bike shops sell track bikes or can give good info. Every one sell fixies for the street but what fun is it having a unoriginal bike in a town full of unoriginal things.
Anyway my thoughts have been running thinking how could a forum be better and more helpful I think if we put our heads together and a small amount of time we could come up with a list and links to no t just a online shop that sells everything. I'm thinking links to parts we like and what one person thinks is the best.

so I could start buy saying this is the bike Im going to buy
http://www.feltbicycles.com/USA/2010...eries/TK3.aspx

But I do need to know what type of peddles to get with it also being that it will be the first year on the track where and what type of helmet and clothing should one get?

Id be more then happy to help out making lists and a data base for PHP links to make the track part of this site more easy and helpful for all of us.

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so I could start buy saying this is the bike Im going to buy
http://www.feltbicycles.com/USA/2010...eries/TK3.aspx

But I do need to know what type of peddles to get with it also being that it will be the first year on the track where and what type of helmet and clothing should one get?
The TK3 is an excellent option for street and track use.

I suggest getting Shimano SPD-SL pedals. The PD-R540 is the least expensive and will suit you perfectly for track and street use. Remember to set the tension to 100% when on the track. Performance has them for $50 right now. That is a GREAT deal being that the cleats cost $23-30 depending on where you go.
http://www.performancebike.com/bikes...chTerm=pd-r540

The entry level Shimano road shoes are a good way to start. Two models are on sale now for $20. Really. GET THEM NOW while it lasts

Edit: The only sizes left were really, really small. Sorry.

Don't buy a helmet without trying it on first. An $25-30 entry level helmet is fine. More expensive helmets are expensive because they are lighter, more aero, and vent better. But, the gains are *very* minor. Save your money in this area.

Invest in at least one pair of good cycling shorts. Go with bib shorts (with the suspenders), they don't slip down at all. Everyone who has tried bib shorts never goes back to regular shorts. Wear them without underwear (newbs don't know to do this). Use chamois cream to prevent chaffing. Stay away from gel chamois, they sort of feel like a wet diaper (this is just my opinion).

A dri-fit type tshirt is all you need. You don't need a fancy cycling kit. Just the shorts mentioned above and a dri-fit shirt and you will be fine. Also consider Under Armor compression shirts to use as a blank "jersey" or as a base layer (under another shirt). I use them extensively. Today I wore a UA sleeveless under a UA long sleeve under my team jersey. The UA stuff is $25-35. 1/2 or 1/3the price you would pay in a bike shop for similar products.
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Regarding "Best" parts, that's sort of a tough one. I mean, there is "the Best" then there is "the Best for me right now".

I've always told people to "Buy a bike that's a little better than you. Something that you can grow into."

Personally, I like nice gear and cool equipment. My first race as a Cat C I showed up with a (borrowed) Zipp disc. I got a LOT of looks and ribbing about it before races started that night. Then I won the first race of the night by 100+ meters. That shut 'em up
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Regarding "Best" parts, that's sort of a tough one. I mean, there is "the Best" then there is "the Best for me right now".

so I guess that's what I mean i would just like to have a thread of parts and links
carleton could you link to a bike that is for sale that you have or would like to get. Maybe parts you like I was just thinking it would be nice to have a link list to cool track parts
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so I guess that's what I mean i would just like to have a thread of parts and links
carleton could you link to a bike that is for sale that you have or would like to get. Maybe parts you like I was just thinking it would be nice to have a link list to cool track parts
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I have a custom Tiemeyer: http://www.tiemeyercycles.com/track.html

A shop named Business Cycles in Florida is a Track (not hipster or "fixie") shop. Go here for a list of 90% of the gear you will see at tracks around the world: http://www.businesscycles.com/trcomp.htm

This will give you an idea of what gear is (and isn't) used for track racing these days.

That is just a link to get you in the "ballpark" of components. There are always exceptions. For example, you will find most racers these days prefer road handlebars to track specific. I would guess the ratio is maybe 60/40 road/track bars. Maybe more.

Also, stems are stems. If it's strong and fits, then it will do. Same goes for seat posts and saddles.

I'll see if I can find some good galleries of track bikes so you can see for yourself.
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Here are some galleries of real track bikes that are raced weekly. Not just the stuff raced by the world's best.

Dick Lane Velodrome's Flickr pool. DLV is in Atlanta.
Flickr photos from a UK Track Racing Blog
Chris Maher's flickr. Lots of Elite and World Class racers, so sort of high end stuff.
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Sweet carleton we have a good start!! Now how do I spread the word and get more people to post links and make this thread go viral? I see with a good thread full of links to parts that all track rides are using or would like to be using we could have a nice place for newbies to start. I am taking some of the info to make a data base for some links so your info will be put into a link on this thread or a new one on this forum. this could be a new way to make forums work nice.
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what parts are on your street fixed?
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what parts are on your street fixed?
its just made form a old 80s frame and parts I sand blasted the frame and panted it at my work. its just some thing I can fly around on to see bands and not worry much if it get stolen you know just a fast cheap bike. not its time to get a real bike
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Sweet carleton we have a good start!! Now how do I spread the word and get more people to post links and make this thread go viral? I see with a good thread full of links to parts that all track rides are using or would like to be using we could have a nice place for newbies to start. I am taking some of the info to make a data base for some links so your info will be put into a link on this thread or a new one on this forum. this could be a new way to make forums work nice.
Well...

I don't agree that this is the right place for newbies to start. The right place for newbs to start is at their local track talking to the guys there at the track or their coach. The last thing an instructor or coach wants to hear from an athlete is, "Well, I read on Bike Forums..."

Most tracks have a beginner program.

Your enthusiasm is good. But, maybe put that towards training...you will need all the enthusiasm you can get
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carleton I see what you mean but in the winter and the days of the internet every thing starts here I signed up for the beginners program at the Blane velodrome but it starts in may so from now tell the I could you this bike forum and the world wide web to find as much info as I can.. frankly Id say most people my age are looking online and not finding the things they need all im trying to do is make this bike forum the best. this is what I do. Ive been on the bike all morning now Im in a tea shop doing research on velodrome and bikes.
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I hear ya, man. I just don't think that a database of "all things track" is something that I want to do.

Have you been to FixedGearFever.com? It's a lot more track-specific (actually, track ONLY) and there are lots of Masters, Elite, and World Class athletes and coaches that post there. There is LOTS to read and read and read. If you post a beginner question, post it in the beginner forum.
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ok I will shift over to that site I wish I would not have spent $12 bucks here I thought this was a good forum
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I'm not suggesting that you move to that site. Just that you use it as another resource. You might find that they are a bit harsh with new riders over there sometimes. If you ask the same questions over there that you did here you will not get very many patient responses.

Specific questions get specific answers on all forums.

A membership here at Bike Forums is free. An upgraded membership costs a few bucks.
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Also, in track racing circles (get it? "circles") you will find that there is more discussion about training than equipment as all of the equipment is more the same than different. But especially because how well one does is much much more dependent on the "engine" than the bicycle.

Not that equipment doesn't matter. It matters a lot. But, as I'm sure you know, one cannot buy speed (not much anyway) in track racing like one could in auto racing.

Gym work and on the bike training will do more for a racer than upgrading from a $1000 bike to a $5000 bike.
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personally, i like the idea of having a whole "intro to track racing" and a sticky about everything you know because to be honest, just walking into the velodrome is intimidating, at least to me. I have private messaged a few people on the forums that race at the track that i will be doing the beginners at, but i asked them each several questions that could be answered in an "intro" thread.

just my $0.02, meh.
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personally, i like the idea of having a whole "intro to track racing" and a sticky about everything you know because to be honest, just walking into the velodrome is intimidating, at least to me. I have private messaged a few people on the forums that race at the track that i will be doing the beginners at, but i asked them each several questions that could be answered in an "intro" thread.

just my $0.02, meh.
If someone will write one, I'll be happy to sticky it if it's sufficient.

Don't be intimidated by the velodrome. It's no different than walking into the basketball courts at the YMCA. Same atmosphere. Some are better, but that's why there's usually an "A" court and a "B" court. You will always race people on your own level. Beginners will race beginners. That's why there is the Category system.

This is precisely why tracks have beginner classes. To answer questions and get the jitters out.

I'm not going to write a FAQ. Track racing is almost as old as baseball. There is plenty of basic information out there.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Track_cycling
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yeah i feel like i have asked enough questions and everything and i feel confident now and i feel much more comfortable!

the reason it is intimidating, quite honesty, is partially because of the equipment. i went through this process to get into paintball, and i dont want it to turn out to be a dick measuring contest (when it comes to gear.) from what i see, track racers are a lot more mature and understand the value of money, so im not worried anymore ^_^
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yeah i feel like i have asked enough questions and everything and i feel confident now and i feel much more comfortable!

the reason it is intimidating, quite honesty, is partially because of the equipment. i went through this process to get into paintball, and i dont want it to turn out to be a dick measuring contest (when it comes to gear.) from what i see, track racers are a lot more mature and understand the value of money, so im not worried anymore ^_^
You can't buy speed in track racing. Not much, anyway. It's all about the engine. Period.. To be successful at the track you need:
1) A safe bike
2) Strong legs
3) Endurance

Spend your money on solid bike (not bling) and a gym membership. Buy a $25 book from Mark Rippetoe called "Starting Strength" and learn how to squat. Buy it from this website (the publsher) http://www.aasgaardco.com/tacpr/?page_id=110


You can take two riders (one really fast and one really slow) and put them on $1,000 bike and then put them on $5,000 bikes and their performance will not be noticeably different. Seriously.

Think of bikes like guitars, in the right hands it can perform well, but a $5,000 guitar won't make anyone a better guitarist.
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There are 3 reasons why you see nice(r) equipment on some bikes at the track:

1) The nicer gear tends to be stronger and more durable. If a rider is strong enough to flex an entry level steel frame to the point where the rear wheel rubs the chain stay, that becomes a safety issue. If such a rider is strong enough to break basic aluminum bars during a standing start (it happens), then that's a safety issue.

2) Once a racer trains his/her body to a certain level and are still losing races by fractions of a second, then the fancy gear will help. This happens at the elite, national, and world levels.

3) Some people just like nice and/or cool stuff...and there's nothing wrong with that.


There are more guys than you can count that kick major butt on tracks every week with basic stock bikes.
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luckily, im a college swimmer so know how to work hard and ive been doing it all my life!

im excited to take the plunge!
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luckily, im a college swimmer so know how to work hard and ive been doing it all my life!

im excited to take the plunge!
Good! Then you probably already have a good work ethic for training. And you probably have a much better grasp of physiology with regards to racing and athletics in general than most new racers. "Blowing up" is blowing up no matter if it's a runner, swimmer, or cyclist

Also, one of the best things you can do is go watch your local races and ask lots of questions.
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thanks for the help guys! ill definitely be spending a lot of time by the 'drome this summer!
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I don't want to sound like a curmudgeon here, but what's wrong with having to do a little legwork and research on your own when you get interested in something? I like learning about things that are a bit off the beaten path, it makes it more interesting and rewarding. Why does EVERYTHING have to be right at your fingertips the second you think of it?

I fear the internet has made people lazy.
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