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Old 01-17-11, 09:06 PM   #1
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using tape for tubulars on the track?

Does anyone here use tape on the track? I have a roll of Jantex Velox tape sitting on my desk, and a pair of conti Sonderklasse's stretching next to me.

It was a fight to get the tyres on, and now at 10 bar the tyres seem pretty solid on the rims.
The track I go to is indoor wooden, the banks are at about a 43 degree angle I think.
Only worry I have is riding on the banks at slow speed, and swinging up to get to the back of the group.

Pro's, con's, personal experience?
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Old 01-17-11, 09:38 PM   #2
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Never tried tape-- it always kind of scared me, though I know other people use it.

Sometimes if you wet the basetape on the tires before you put them on to stretch it will make them a lot easier to glue later. Make sure it's completely dry before you glue them though.
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I inadvertently used tape for most of a season. I'm a heavy sprinter riding a 36 degree track.

A buddy of mine let me use his Zipp disc back in 2009. I used it for some weekly racing and special occasions. I thought it was a very well executed gluing. When I went to mount a new tire for the 2010 season I noticed the Tufo tape. I replaced it with glue for the new tire
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I've never used tape to mount tubulars. Back when I started racing in the 1970s it was considered verboten to use tape for racing, even on the road, since tapes were not reliable enough. However, I think the newer tapes like the Tufo, specifically the "extreme" version are probably good enough. I think it also depends on the composition of the tubular tire's basetape as to how well the glue tape will adhere. Tires like the Conti Sonderklasse have a very porous basetape that may not provide good adhesion to the tape, since it requires quite a lot of glue material to fill in the pores that act like a sponge. Tufo tires have a different type of basetape that works well with their glue tapes. In any case, I'm sticking (pardon the pun) with glue to mount tubulars, as I have nearly 4 decades experience using it and have pretty much figured out how to do it right.
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Everyone talks about Tufo tape but I couldn't find a roll, best thing I could find was Jantex Velox tape (Velox jantex tape??). What tyres do you use and what is the base tape like?

Because as Tejano said, the base tape of the Sonderklasse is like a hessian sack!
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Everyone talks about Tufo tape but I couldn't find a roll, best thing I could find was Jantex Velox tape (Velox jantex tape??). What tyres do you use and what is the base tape like?

Because as Tejano said, the base tape of the Sonderklasse is like a hessian sack!
For the record, I am not suggesting that you use tape. Actually, I agree with the others that you should use glue along with the proper procedures.
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BITD the Velox tape was to be used WITH glue as a space filler for loose fitting tires.
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I ended up mounting the tyre with tape it and well, there was no peace of mind through out the whole process. I had to keep pulling up the tape align it in the rim which probably meant it lost a bit of the adhesive.

Also, around the valve the tyre isn't completely in contact with the tape, I can kind of roll the tyre to fill in the gap.
I'll be buying glue today.

Any tips on removing tape?
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I've actually heard recommendation from coaches to be wary of taping carbon hoops because the tape sticks "too well" and when the tire is removed the tape may pull some carbon with it. By that though, I would imagine tape holds rather well. Further, I've never heard of anyone have tape fail, though I know several who've had glue fail.

Though, as always, this is just BF specious argumentation.

For the record, I glue all my tires.
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Rolling resistance testing (I think by continental?) showed that tubular tires with tape had higher rolling resistance than glue or clinchers. By using tape, you are negating a lot of the benefit you have with tubulars.

They stated that the sqirm of the tire on the tape made the tire worse than clinchers. I don't know why you are using tubulars, but you would be better off using clinchers than taped tubluars (according to the test results).
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Rolling resistance testing (I think by continental?) showed that tubular tires with tape had higher rolling resistance than glue or clinchers. By using tape, you are negating a lot of the benefit you have with tubulars.

They stated that the sqirm of the tire on the tape made the tire worse than clinchers. I don't know why you are using tubulars, but you would be better off using clinchers than taped tubluars (according to the test results).
Hey, man, do you actually ride on the track?

Those studies are geared towards road time trial riders. Plus, when one rides on the track, one rides on the sides of the tire, not the top.

Safety is the concern at hand, not rolling resistance.
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I've taped my tires on my race wheels exclusively for the last 5 years. Given they are race wheels, and I live 5 minutes from an indoor wood velodrome, I tend to end up replacing the tires at least once a year, often more just by the quantity or riding I do. I've never had a problem. I've crashed (at speed) and the tires have stayed on, and I've seen plenty of glued tubs roll off during a crash.

Tape is just like glue though, you need to do it right. I think it's fair to say if you don't have experience in either, the tape is easier. But I've seen plenty of tires with horrible glue jobs I wouldn't ride on. I guess the point is there are good glue and bad glue jobs.
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You may have had trouble finding the tape because they stopped selling it for a period, and if you can move around the tire near the valve you didn't follow the tape instructions very well.

I use tape on the road except for races. I also rolled a tire off with the tape while messing around and taking a corner too fast on the road - and to be fair to the tape I'm unsure if the pedal strike or tire rolling off caused the accident. I don't and wouldn't recommend you race on tape.
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Like I said in the original post, I'm just relating what I have read from testing from Conti. What you do with the information is up to you. Food for thought.

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Hey, man, do you actually ride on the track?

Those studies are geared towards road time trial riders. Plus, when one rides on the track, one rides on the sides of the tire, not the top.

Safety is the concern at hand, not rolling resistance.
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If you roll off an improperly glued tire in competition it is an unrecognized mishap. As a pit referee in criteriums I have denied a free lap to riders who rolled a tubular tire off the rim when I found out it had been attached with Tufo tape.
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I've used tape on the road and track - including some sub-200 meter "fishbowl" indoor tracks - and never had a problem. Having said that, as far as I am concerned race tires for the track should be attached with shellac and that's all there is to it.
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I've tried tape on the road, replacing was hell & residue it left. Road & track, tubulars.. go glue !
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