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Old 04-18-12, 10:03 PM   #2476
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Ok cool, thanks man. Appreciate the help.
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Actually, as of right now, the Dolan DF3 is not better than my Tiemeyer. I raced it again tonight. I pulled the wheel in the dropouts EVEN with the chain tensioner engaged. I need to lay off the protein shakes.
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Very little. In cycling, the calves only act as stabilizers. Actually, some cyclists have custom cleat holes drilled into their shoes to move their cleats further back on the foot. This pretty much eliminates the calf altogether.
Did not know about that at all. Super interesting!
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Any thoughts on creatine use by cyclists?
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Any thoughts on creatine use by cyclists?
Many don't like it because of the water weight gain associated with it.
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Been riding a lot lately (~200 mixed miles in the last week or so) after not riding a lot all winter and I've picked up this nagging pain and stiffness at the base of my achilles tendon. I've read up on this and "ankling" during my pedal stroke, and that might be it, it also could be that my hand surgeon went in there hoping to scavenge my plantaris tendon to replace... whatever, it's a long story. I've been cycling for years and I've never had an issue, so I'm somewhat wondering if maybe there's some scar tissue in there that I've torn or is abrading and irritating the sheath around my Achilles.

I guess my question is, do you know anyone who's had this kind of pain? And other than ice and ibuprofen, is there anything I can do to expedite the healing? Perhaps massage/stretching?

I know you're not a doctor, but I have a feeling you may play one on Tv...
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Been riding a lot lately (~200 mixed miles in the last week or so) after not riding a lot all winter and I've picked up this nagging pain and stiffness at the base of my achilles tendon. I've read up on this and "ankling" during my pedal stroke, and that might be it, it also could be that my hand surgeon went in there hoping to scavenge my plantaris tendon to replace... whatever, it's a long story. I've been cycling for years and I've never had an issue, so I'm somewhat wondering if maybe there's some scar tissue in there that I've torn or is abrading and irritating the sheath around my Achilles.

I guess my question is, do you know anyone who's had this kind of pain? And other than ice and ibuprofen, is there anything I can do to expedite the healing? Perhaps massage/stretching?

I know you're not a doctor, but I have a feeling you may play one on Tv...
Holler at me when I stay at a Holiday Inn.

But, seriously, I'm not familiar with this particular type of pain. I'd ask in the Road forum.

It could be simple overuse or more complicated like saddle height, cleat position, adopting a new pedal stroke, or using lower/higher gears. See what those guys say.
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Cool, thanks. After looking around it sounds like my saddle might have been too high. I'll see what gently stretching it out with one of these-



some ibuprofen and some rest (going to be crappy weather wise for the next week) will do for me.

I figured I'd ask you first because I have been standing and hammering a lot lately, something I thought would resonate with you and the type of cycling you do most.


Hell while I'm at it, there's no velodrome local to me, but I'm fascinated by the thought of track cycling- it's pretty much the only thing I have yet to do on a bike. Are there any workouts (something like ladders or intervals for track running) I could do on the street to make my maiden voyage raise some eyebrows when I do finally hit a velodrome? Strava (lol) has my peak wattage spike north of 1000 watts, I know that's bullsh*t, but I'm not exactly a little guy so there might be something there.

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Cool, thanks. After looking around it sounds like my saddle might have been too high. I'll see what gently stretching it out with one of these-



some ibuprofen and some rest (going to be crappy weather wise for the next week) will do for me.

I figured I'd ask you first because I have been standing and hammering a lot lately, something I thought would resonate with you and the type of cycling you do most.


Hell while I'm at it, there's no velodrome local to me, but I'm fascinated by the thought of track cycling- it's pretty much the only thing I have yet to do on a bike. Are there any workouts (something like ladders or intervals for track running) I could do on the street to make my maiden voyage raise some eyebrows when I do finally hit a velodrome?
In the beginner ranks on the track those with basic cycling fitness (i.e those who ride lots) stand head and shoulders over the others. Specificity is useful only in the higher ranks.
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Holler at me when I stay at a Holiday Inn.

But, seriously, I'm not familiar with this particular type of pain. I'd ask in the Road forum.

It could be simple overuse or more complicated like saddle height, cleat position, adopting a new pedal stroke, or using lower/higher gears. See what those guys say.

Keep riding but don't overdo it for the next few weeks. You will notice it go away. After a few weeks, ramp up the amount of riding and eventually it will be gone.
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Any advice for staying stable during standing sprints (on the track)? I find that I don't feel like I have as much control when I'm standing so I end up holding back quite a bit, particularly in the turns. Just practice? Thanks
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Very little. In cycling, the calves only act as stabilizers. Actually, some cyclists have custom cleat holes drilled into their shoes to move their cleats further back on the foot. This pretty much eliminates the calf altogether.
Would you say that the more one rides, the stronger their calves will become? TBH I rarely use mine. I know I use my tibialis and peroneus muscles a lot, and they've become quite strong over time (not calves, obviously).

I feel like even though calves are a "support" muscle, it is still a vital part of the equation and can be utilized in some way, if anything to rest the other muscles during a hard pull. I feel like the core, the entire body, etc. is pretty much like a bike frame, and if you have a weak link it should be strengthened.

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Any advice for staying stable during standing sprints (on the track)? I find that I don't feel like I have as much control when I'm standing so I end up holding back quite a bit, particularly in the turns. Just practice? Thanks
It could be a bike fit issue meaning that you aren't able to get in the right position to be stable. It could also be a practice thing. It's tough to say from here.

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Would you say that the more one rides, the stronger their calves will become? TBH I rarely use mine. I know I use my tibialis and peroneus muscles a lot, and they've become quite strong over time (not calves, obviously).

I feel like even though calves are a "support" muscle, it is still a vital part of the equation and can be utilized in some way, if anything to rest the other muscles during a hard pull. I feel like the core, the entire body, etc. is pretty much like a bike frame, and if you have a weak link it should be strengthened.

Just my 2cp's, /notcarleton.
Well, yeah, if your calf doesn't support your foot by keeping it stiff then you wouldn't be able to pedal. So, the calf needs a minimal amount of strength. But, improving your calf strength beyond this minimum doesn't do much of anything.

Yes, your calf muscle will get stronger the more you call upon it. If the rest of your legs are being trained to apply much more force, then the calf will in turn have to be stronger to hold your foot stable under the increased load.

I've been trained by some great coaches (one who specializes in weight training) and not one has mentioned any calf exercises.
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I've been trained by some great coaches (one who specializes in weight training) and not one has mentioned any calf exercises.
This would make sense because the simple fact that all of the exercises you've discussed in the past utilize the calf muscle in a tertiary development area; Bent-over rows still require active usage of the calf muscle. The only time you'd consider incorporating a calf-specific exercise routine would be if every activity you did as part of the routine allowed the calf to be passive.

Even push-ups utilize the calf muscle as a stabilizer meaning they benefit; lunges, squats, sprints, long-distance running, spins, dancing. It's just too easy to get in the required "work" for anybody to invest effort in making it larger outside of mass-building early in a body building program.

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This would make sense because the simple fact that all of the exercises you've discussed in the past utilize the calf muscle in a tertiary development area; Bent-over rows still require active usage of the calf muscle. The only time you'd consider incorporating a calf-specific exercise routine would be if every activity you did as part of the routine allowed the calf to be passive.

Even push-ups utilize the calf muscle as a stabilizer meaning they benefit; lunges, squats, sprints, long-distance running, spins, dancing. It's just too easy to get in the required "work" for anybody to invest effort in making it larger outside of mass-building early in a body building program.

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Ever ridden around the track in the opposite direction?
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Ever ridden around the track in the opposite direction?
No, but I know people who have. They all say it's like riding one for the first time all over again.
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I have ridden clockwise once, its very very very odd.
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Dear Carleton
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On April 1st at the track here in boulder they opened it up to be ridden backwards for a few hours. Huge line of people means I left.
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How did you break a saddle? I thouught they would be designed to survive bumps...
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How did you break a saddle? I thouught they would be designed to survive bumps...
It happens when sprinting. You aren't just sitting on the saddle, you are putting lots of pressure on it as you pull really hard on the pedals, too. If you hit a bump when you are already applying lots of pressure, it makes it worse. Unfortunately, we have a big hump right when people are applying lots of force to the pedals coming through turns 3-4. All of this is amplified a THIRD time by the g-forces in the turn. Poor saddle never had a chance.

Several saddles break every season at our track. Either the saddle body or the rails.
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Did you get hurt? That sounds dangerous.
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Did you get hurt? That sounds dangerous.
Thanks, but no. I just heard a light "crack" sound. It didn't sound bad. I actually thought that my saddle rail bolts were just settling in. I didn't think anything had broken.

Get this, it happened during warmup before a night of racing. I just came off the track and checked the saddle angle and made some adjustments and started racing. I didn't notice that the saddle was broken and raced the whole night on it. It wasn't till I got home and took everything apart that I saw this:

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Damn dude. Out of curiosity, is that sort of thing covered by Specialized's warranty?
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