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    Not Carleton, but he'll probably ask if you're planning to race.
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    Assuming you plan to race at Kissena? Your money would be best spent on making sure you have a license, money to make the three hour trip to New York, and a good training program.

    If you plan on racing at the NH velodrome, it no longer exists.

    If you are building a road fixed gear, your question is not really relevant.


    Also I am not Carleton.
    Sorry buddy. I don't mean to steal your thunder.
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    Yes, I am planning on racing, and it wil be in Chicago actually. I am moving. I have been to Kissena a few times though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jpsawyer View Post
    Dear Carleton,
    Would you recommend getting nicer track specific frame or getting more track specific wheels? I am currently using a Toyo Godzilla with a Kinlin XR-300 wheelset and some god track specific components. The bike fits pretty well and is comfortable, but do you think that a lighter, stiffer frame would be a better investment over nicer track specific wheels? thanks!
    Neither.

    Quote Originally Posted by Jaytron View Post
    Not Carleton, but he'll probably ask if you're planning to race.
    +1

    Quote Originally Posted by Kayce View Post
    Assuming you plan to race at Kissena? Your money would be best spent on making sure you have a license, money to make the three hour trip to New York, and a good training program.

    If you plan on racing at the NH velodrome, it no longer exists.

    If you are building a road fixed gear, your question is not really relevant.


    Also I am not Carleton.
    Sorry buddy. I don't mean to steal your thunder.
    +1

    Quote Originally Posted by jpsawyer View Post
    Yes, I am planning on racing, and it wil be in Chicago actually. I am moving. I have been to Kissena a few times though.
    I get excited about buying new toys, too. But, the fanciest toys won't make you more competitive...training and experience make you faster. Outside of having a solid, safe bike, look to spend money on training and experience as Kayce mentioned.

    But to answer your original question:

    Assuming that you are all set with regards to setting up training and gaining experience, I suggest investing in a good frame that is "faster" than you. Something that you can grow into. Racers will buy, sell, trade their way through several more wheelsets than frames over a given time period.

    That being said, don't be the guy with the Teschner Track Pro, Mavic Comete/Io, etc... but don't train and expect to blow the doors off of everyone in the CAT5 field...it just won't happen. I've seen a guy try that and I was embarrassed for him. (nice guy, but very misguided).

    Track racing gear becomes good enough at a very low price point. Let me repeat that. Track racing gear becomes good enough at a very low price point.

    After that, every upgrade (stronger, lighter, stiffer, etc...) have VERY minor effects.

    Things that have the greatest effects for new racers:
    - Racing
    - Training
    - Coaching

    Beginner/intermediate races are won and lost by 10s of seconds. When you start losing races by less than 1 second, that's when it's time to look into fancy gear.

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    To add to what Carleton says (ton of great info)

    You should invest in things mentioned in this thread first: http://www.bikeforums.net/showthread...ew-track-racer
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    IMO this thread should just be moved to the track racing forum.
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    Quote Originally Posted by carleton View Post
    Things that have the greatest effects for new racers:
    - Racing
    - Training
    - Coaching

    Beginner/intermediate races are won and lost by 10s of seconds. When you start losing races by less than 1 second, that's when it's time to look into fancy gear.

    I keep reading and this and thinking.....Excellent!

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    Carleton,

    Do you bring your road bike to races to keep your legs moving in between heats? Or do you just change up your gearing in between each heat and use the track bike?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jaytron View Post
    Carleton,

    Do you bring your road bike to races to keep your legs moving in between heats? Or do you just change up your gearing in between each heat and use the track bike?
    Most of the time I just cruise slowly in the warmup circle, but that's not the best. The options in order of effectiveness...and level of effort (transporting extra stuff to the track) are:

    - Rolling slowly in the warmup circle
    - Spinning on rollers
    - Spinning road bike on very low gear in the warmup circle

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    Dear Carlton,
    Come to Minnesota to race the Fixed Gear Classic next month.

    Sincerely,
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    Quote Originally Posted by queerpunk View Post
    Dear Carlton,
    Come to Minnesota to race the Fixed Gear Classic next month.

    Sincerely,
    the internet.
    As it turns out, I think we have MUCH better odds of seeing him at the Marymoor GP (NTC)

    U Mad Bro?

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    Hey Carelton, what's the deal with Dura Ace track hubs? I've heard they're only good for indoor track riding, but could one use them outdoors on longer rides? I've heard they're very prone to dust and dirt getting in the bearings.. true?
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    Quote Originally Posted by queerpunk View Post
    Dear Carlton,
    Come to Minnesota to race the Fixed Gear Classic next month.

    Sincerely,
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    Ummmm...that's a 25 hour drive...each way. I'd have to fly. Let me see what's up.

    Quote Originally Posted by Hida Yanra View Post
    As it turns out, I think we have MUCH better odds of seeing him at the Marymoor GP (NTC)

    U Mad Bro?


    Hahahaha!

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    Hey Carelton, what's the deal with Dura Ace track hubs? I've heard they're only good for indoor track riding, but could one use them outdoors on longer rides? I've heard they're very prone to dust and dirt getting in the bearings.. true?
    They are simply quality loose ball bearing hubs. They require no more (or no less) maintenance than any other ball bearing hubs. This does require regular maintenance, but it should be infrequent.

    Google: ball bearing hub maintenance

    The instructions are overwhelming, but in practice it's easy. Basically: Take it apart, clean everything, grease stuff, put it back the way it was before.

    That being said, I've used Dura Ace hubs since 2010, while riding outdoor tracks and I've only cleaned and repacked them once:



    Still smooth.

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    Quote Originally Posted by carleton View Post



    Still smooth.
    That bike is smooth. Love those handlebars.

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    Quote Originally Posted by carleton View Post
    Most of the time I just cruise slowly in the warmup circle, but that's not the best. The options in order of effectiveness...and level of effort (transporting extra stuff to the track) are:

    - Rolling slowly in the warmup circle
    - Spinning on rollers
    - Spinning road bike on very low gear in the warmup circle
    I feel like put putting around the warmup circle doesn't do much for me. Maybe I'm doing it wrong?

    Is there a correct way to cool down after a heat, or warm up before one? My last race was my first race and my legs just felt like lead by my last keirin heat.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jaytron View Post
    I feel like put putting around the warmup circle doesn't do much for me. Maybe I'm doing it wrong?

    Is there a correct way to cool down after a heat, or warm up before one? My last race was my first race and my legs just felt like lead by my last keirin heat.
    Well...I'm no expert at it. I don't recover well between sprint events myself.

    Is there anyone else who would care to comment? I need to know, too

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    Quote Originally Posted by rex615 View Post
    That bike is smooth. Love those handlebars.
    Thanks!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jaytron View Post
    I feel like put putting around the warmup circle doesn't do much for me. Maybe I'm doing it wrong?

    Is there a correct way to cool down after a heat, or warm up before one? My last race was my first race and my legs just felt like lead by my last keirin heat.
    I use rollers. After doing a kilo the other day, I rolled on the rollers for an hour to get the muscles firing smoothly again. That's an extreme case (the kilo is an extreme case); usually 5-10 minutes does it. I think the key is not "keeping warm" in the aerobic sense, but rather, keeping the legs in motion until the muscles unlock.

    The warmup track is great for those couple minutes right after the event because you can transition from racing to warmdown without stopping. Just roll from the apron directly to the warmup track. Roll for a few minutes, then get onto your rollers for 5-10 more minutes to complete the flush. Then sit down and relax and wait for the next event. Roll on the warmup track for a few minutes prior to next event and the roll directly from there to the rail. If there is a long time between events, another 5-10 minute roll on the rollers midway through the wait feels good too.
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    I am not a sprinter by any means but here is my warm up for a Thursday night session.

    Spin gently(50-60rpm) on the warm up gear(48/16) for about 10 minutes
    4 Hard half lap efforts, half lap recovery 100rpm or so
    A light stretch.
    Spin gently(50-60 rpm) on the race gearing(48/14) for 10 minutes
    3-4 "flying 200s" not full on race efforts, but hard.

    I still don't have a cool down figured out. I usually just take as many extra laps as the race director allows at low rpm.
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    Quote Originally Posted by carleton View Post
    Well...I'm no expert at it. I don't recover well between sprint events myself.

    Is there anyone else who would care to comment? I need to know, too
    Warmup and cooldown are important. Warmup laps dilate your blood vessels to increase blood flow and also reduces the chance of muscle injury. No more than 60% efort, just to warm up and stretch the muscles to prep for max effort. This reduces the chance of muscle injury.

    Cooldown: Again, no more than 60% effort, and this allows the long skeletal muscles to flush out the Lactic Acid byproducts by pumping action, at a low enough effort level that they don't generate more lactic acid.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jaytron View Post
    I feel like put putting around the warmup circle doesn't do much for me. Maybe I'm doing it wrong?

    Is there a correct way to cool down after a heat, or warm up before one? My last race was my first race and my legs just felt like lead by my last keirin heat.
    yeah. warmup circle is too small.
    i need to move my legs at around 80 rpm to cool down effectively. small gear.
    warmup, rollers: spinning 100-120 rpm for a little while, with a couple rev-ups if i want to be fresh at the ***.

    with or without, though, it's gonna hurt if you're not fresh.

    when i have a hard time recovering between races i wonder if i have adequate base.
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    Quote Originally Posted by queerpunk View Post
    yeah. warmup circle is too small.
    i need to move my legs at around 80 rpm to cool down effectively. small gear.
    warmup, rollers: spinning 100-120 rpm for a little while, with a couple rev-ups if i want to be fresh at the ***.

    with or without, though, it's gonna hurt if you're not fresh.

    when i have a hard time recovering between races i wonder if i have adequate base.
    I didn't bring either tonight, but spent more time cooling down in the circle after races, and going to the circle earlier before races. Seemed to help?

    Thanks for all the tips everyone!

    I suck ass at rollers hahaha.
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    We are not allowed to ride in the warm up circle / centre of the track anymore as it was too dusty and the dust was getting transfered to the boards. So has to be rollers. I can do them fine in my garage, no handed, one legged all that stuff...but soon as im in the centre of the track and there are people around watching i need to hold onto the fence

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jaytron View Post
    I suck ass at rollers hahaha.
    This is probably a naive question, but why not use a trainer instead. It is not as quick as just jumping on the rollers, but does allow a more relaxed cool down.
    For the record I too suck at rollers, but i find them challenging enough to be entertaining
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