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Old 09-14-11, 07:00 AM   #1051
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Lizardskins are not made out the same thing as hoods are (rubber usually); magic is required to make lizard skins

Anyhow white rubber tend to go either permanently (due to the porous nature of rubber) grey or yellow rather quickly. BUT you can get some borrowed time by cleaning white hoods thoroughly after every ride; prevention is key here.
Well then I suppose it's not the best idea then. Oh well.
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Would it be possible to fix up a casette hub (BMX type, so single geared) so that it was fixed? If its possible, this is going to be one of my next 'wrenching' projects.
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Would it be possible to fix up a casette hub (BMX type, so single geared) so that it was fixed? If its possible, this is going to be one of my next 'wrenching' projects.
I have no idea. Ask in BMX or Mechanics.
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Would it be possible to fix up a casette hub (BMX type, so single geared) so that it was fixed? If its possible, this is going to be one of my next 'wrenching' projects.
Short answer: No.

Long answer: Inside the freewheel are some spring loaded pawls that ride against a ridged surface on the inside of the bit that threads onto the wheel. When they turn left, they slide past this surface: that's the clicking sound when you coast. When they turn right, they jam into the ridges and engage the hub. To turn a freewheel into a fixed gear, you'd need to keep the pawls in place. This generally means welding, which screws up the metallurgy of most bike parts. I think someone did try doing this to an old Sturmey Archer AW hub (dirt cheap) to turn it into something that functions like an S3X (pricey) with limited success.

Really, if you're cheap enough to reuse a freewheel this way, you'd be a lot better off going with a suicide hub.
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Well, I was just figuring it would be a bit of a fun project, but I'll probably just end up building a SS with it. Nice small gearing on there.
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One more beginner Velo question Carleton,

Can I start out with something as low end as a Kilo TT Pro? Should I be saving up to build a real track bike? Are clipless pedals a requirement on the track?
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One more beginner Velo question Carleton,

Can I start out with something as low end as a Kilo TT Pro? Should I be saving up to build a real track bike? Are clipless pedals a requirement on the track?
If you're just taking a beginner course, it's more important to know the rules, lines, etiquettes on the specific track. You could use any bike, really. Clipless are "recommend" by I've seen people race in quill pedals with slotted shoes.
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Old 09-14-11, 10:59 PM   #1058
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One more beginner Velo question Carleton,

Can I start out with something as low end as a Kilo TT Pro? Should I be saving up to build a real track bike? Are clipless pedals a requirement on the track?
THere's a lot of questions like these that I saw in the Track thread, you should check it out. Since you live in San Jose I'm guessing you want to go to Hellyer? That's where I'm going to go for the beginner classes.

The frame doesn't really matter, you can rent one for like ~$5 for the say the beginners classes if you wanted.

If you ever go, let me know! I'll go with you.

edit: I just noticed I didn't really even answer anything for you lol so..

I believe carleton explains that he reccomends getting a bicycle for the track that you can "grow into" like the Felt TK2 or a LOOK, but by all means there is no problem taking a Kilo to the track.

As for me, I'm opting to sell me Kilo and order a Leader 721, it probably won't make much of a difference but I was looking into a new bike anyway. Clipless if probably way better, but I don't THINK they're a requirement though I'm also going to be dropping clips for clipless.

Only thing Hellyer says on the Saturday Beginner's Course is: What to Bring: RELEASE FORM, Helmet, Cycling shoes, pedals, warm clothing, a snack, water, Allen wrenches, sunscreen.
If you have a track bike bring that also.

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THere's a lot of questions like these that I saw in the Track thread, you should check it out. Since you live in San Jose I'm guessing you want to go to Hellyer? That's where I'm going to go for the beginner classes.

The frame doesn't really matter, you can rent one for like ~$5 for the say the beginners classes if you wanted.

If you ever go, let me know! I'll go with you.
Yep! Hellyer is riding distance from my house haha. I'd rather go with somebody than go by myself. It said on the site, their beginner classes are year round?
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Umm yeah I believe so, on the calender every Saturday says it's a beginners course. I thought I saw somewhere that said there were exact dates, but maybe I was on a different site.. lol

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+1 to what calv and Squirrelli wrote.

You guys are so awesome.
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If you're just taking a beginner course, it's more important to know the rules, lines, etiquettes on the specific track. You could use any bike, really. Clipless are "recommend" by I've seen people race in quill pedals with slotted shoes.
Thanks. I found this (I didn't even know there was a track racing section on these boards): http://www.ridethetrack.com/pdf/trackracing_intro.pdf

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edit: I just noticed I didn't really even answer anything for you lol so..

I believe carleton explains that he reccomends getting a bicycle for the track that you can "grow into" like the Felt TK2 or a LOOK, but by all means there is no problem taking a Kilo to the track.

As for me, I'm opting to sell me Kilo and order a Leader 721, it probably won't make much of a difference but I was looking into a new bike anyway. Clipless if probably way better, but I don't THINK they're a requirement though I'm also going to be dropping clips for clipless.

Only thing Hellyer says on the Saturday Beginner's Course is: What to Bring: RELEASE FORM, Helmet, Cycling shoes, pedals, warm clothing, a snack, water, Allen wrenches, sunscreen.
If you have a track bike bring that also.
Eh, the only reason I ask about a Kilo is that I already have one. I'd like to use that because I plan to buy a new roadie next year. A nice track bike doesn't seem much cheaper than my budget on a roadie... hahaha
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Indeed. If my build doesn't finish soon, I'm just taking me Kilo. Though now that the requirements say we need pedals and cycling shoes, I don't know if that means clipless is required or not, haha!
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Indeed. If my build doesn't finish soon, I'm just taking me Kilo. Though now that the requirements say we need pedals and cycling shoes, I don't know if that means clipless is required or not, haha!
Just have some sort of foot retention for the class.

But, you should consider some basic pedals and cycling shoes soon.

The kilo will be fine for your first year, especially since you already have it. I advise people to get a nicer bike when they are starting from nothing. Ride the kilo, have fun, save for a nice bike later.
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And Calv, you should look around in the track forum. Lots of good stuff there.

http://www.bikeforums.net/forumdispl...-Track-Cycling
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hola carletón, i'm looking to get a new frame, preferably Al and under $1000. i'm also going to pick up track racing after this semester is over, which is also when i'm done with school. So i'm looking for a frame that's will suit me on the road as well as the drome. I've been looking at Low's frames and i'm wondering if you have any input on those, or if you have any other suggestion on frames that will suit me well. if it helps i'm 5'6" with a stocky 180 pound frame. by stocky i mean my limbs are short (29" inseam). thanks in advance!
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If you have $1,000 to drop on a frame, do not get a LOW. I guarantee you Carleton will agree.

I would probably buy a LOW because I would want to support a local builder and it seems like the geo is something I'd be into. Of course, I don't have a thousand to drop on a frame so that argument is irrelevant.

I would recommend the Affinity Kissena. Carleton will probably have a better recommendation.
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I'm not familiar with LOW. Never heard of them.

Yott, I'm not really good at picking bikes that are good for the track and the street. Those are two very different activities. A bike that excels in one of those areas will suffer in the other. This is why most trackies have a race bike and a road bike. I would suggest going that route if you can afford it. I know very few (actually only 2) track racers that ride the same bike in the city and on the track.
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Just have some sort of foot retention for the class.

But, you should consider some basic pedals and cycling shoes soon.

The kilo will be fine for your first year, especially since you already have it. I advise people to get a nicer bike when they are starting from nothing. Ride the kilo, have fun, save for a nice bike later.
Awesome. I have clipless shoes/pedals anyways, but I prefer riding my kilo with cages/straps.

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And Calv, you should look around in the track forum. Lots of good stuff there.

http://www.bikeforums.net/forumdispl...-Track-Cycling
There's a ton of good info there, thanks Carleton.
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what is this and what is its purpose?


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what is this and what is its purpose?


It's a time trial bike. It was made back in the day when there were not strict rules regarding materials and geometry for bikes. Some say those were the good old days.

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dear carleton,
can you do the carleton dance? (video proof please!)

and also how do i know what kind of headset i should use? 1 1/8" threadless steerer tube, but are all conventional headsets in essence the same with 30mm inside crown race 34 frame cup outside diameters?

if it helps, it's the EAI bareknuckle

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Speaking of which, Carleton, is it true that Graeme Obree had a rocky relationship with the UCI (or whatever it was called back then)?

In the movie it appears as if they pretty much hated everything he did and constantly changed the rules because of it. Is this an exaggeration?
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Dear Carleton,

Quick question: why are bikes with a front and rear disc wheel not seen very much on the track? Last time I checked there aren't any crosswinds indoors.
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Is this an exaggeration?
they really are the biggest haters in cycling

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