Cycling and bicycle discussion forums. 
   Click here to join our community Log in to access your Control Panel  


Go Back   > >

Track Cycling: Velodrome Racing and Training Area Looking to enter into the realm of track racing? Want to share your experiences and tactics for riding on a velodrome? The Track Cycling forums is for you! Come in and discuss training/racing, equipment, and current track cycling events.

User Tag List

Reply
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread
Old 10-05-11, 10:12 PM   #1351
Mr. Grey
Junior Member
 
Mr. Grey's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2011
Location: Colorado
Bikes: All-City Big Block
Posts: 16
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Quote:
Originally Posted by carleton View Post
No. Don't rotafix anything.

Man, I'm over 230lbs and I put a hellish amount of torque on my hubs during standing starts and have never had a problem. I would guess that you need a higher quality hub. Higher quality stuff isn't just expensive because it's a name brand. Some of it is just straight up stronger. I suggest using a Dura Ace rear hub for your next build.
Thanks, would you recommend a splined or bolt on style hub? or is that overkill?
Mr. Grey is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-05-11, 10:37 PM   #1352
hairnet
Fresh Garbage
 
hairnet's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2009
Location: Los Angeles
Bikes:
Posts: 12,436
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 35 Post(s)
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr. Grey View Post
Hmm After it happened the first two times I've been trying to keep the cog tight by setting up against a wall and putting pressure down on the pedal, then tightening the lock ring.
That isn't a very good way to torque the cog if you're going to skid and all that. Use a chain whip and even a small cheater bar if you dare to
hairnet is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-05-11, 11:04 PM   #1353
Squirrelli
GONE~
 
Join Date: Apr 2010
Bikes:
Posts: 6,757
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Quote:
Originally Posted by evilcryalotmore View Post
rota fix, and lock ring tool and then get some lock ring pliers and grip the lock ring tight, take a hammer, light tap. Make sure you dont apply too much heavy grease, use a light coat of a strong grease.
Squirrelli is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-05-11, 11:05 PM   #1354
carleton
Elitist
 
carleton's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2005
Location: Atlanta, GA
Bikes:
Posts: 13,069
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 17 Post(s)
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr. Grey View Post
Thanks, would you recommend a splined or bolt on style hub? or is that overkill?
That's one solution. But, the splines may develop some play in them.

Just get a nice, race-spec hub like Dura Ace with a Dura Ace lockring (a new DA hub will come with one).
__________________
Quote:
Originally Posted by gtrob View Post
Roadies can run tempo all year as that's what humans were designed for. If you want to be a cheetah, lay around and lick your paws more.
carleton is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-05-11, 11:24 PM   #1355
Hothead286
Senior Member
 
Hothead286's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2011
Location: St. Louis, MO
Bikes:
Posts: 372
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
What is the current preferred DA track hub? 7710? Has there been much innovation between the series?
Hothead286 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-07-11, 12:33 AM   #1356
evilcryalotmore
モㄥ工匕モ 爪モ爪乃モ尺
 
evilcryalotmore's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2010
Location: LA San Gabriel, California
Bikes: Custom frame
Posts: 2,137
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Deat carleton, What are the Avg track tires? Im looking into new tires. and i have no clue where to start when it doesnt come down to puncture protection.
evilcryalotmore is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-08-11, 03:25 PM   #1357
jimmytango
Hi, I'm Bryan.
 
jimmytango's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2010
Location: Chicago
Bikes: 2010 Focus Mares
Posts: 2,654
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Hey Carleton, whatever happened to the boulder?
jimmytango is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-08-11, 04:01 PM   #1358
prooftheory
pro in someone's theory
 
prooftheory's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2011
Location: Las Cruces, NM
Bikes: FTP
Posts: 3,104
Mentioned: 1 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 8 Post(s)
Carleton, what is your speed on the track if you are producing 2000 watts?
prooftheory is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-08-11, 05:43 PM   #1359
carleton
Elitist
 
carleton's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2005
Location: Atlanta, GA
Bikes:
Posts: 13,069
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 17 Post(s)
Quote:
Originally Posted by Hothead286 View Post
What is the current preferred DA track hub? 7710? Has there been much innovation between the series?
The 7700 is a needle bearing which is smoother, but requires maintenance. The 7710 (NJS) is sealed and is still very smooth and maintenance free. NJS because they race in rain which isn't recommended for the needle bearing. It would require cleaning and repacking after getting wet.

Quote:
Originally Posted by evilcryalotmore View Post
Deat carleton, What are the Avg track tires? Im looking into new tires. and i have no clue where to start when it doesnt come down to puncture protection.
As far a clinchers go, the same mid to high end tires you see on road bikes work fine on the track. I say stick to the higher end of the spectrum. They are grippy.

Quote:
Originally Posted by jimmytango View Post
Hey Carleton, whatever happened to the boulder?
It's in my garage.

Quote:
Originally Posted by prooftheory View Post
Carleton, what is your speed on the track if you are producing 2000 watts?
Please clarify your question. Do you mean, what is my speed when one is at 2,000W or what max speed comes as a result of 2000W? Or something else?

Max wattage usually comes during a standing start effort and actually around 125M (give or take) into a standing start effort. But the max speed comes several seconds later as a result of the acceleration. Also, the Flying 200M produces the highest max speeds, but not as much wattage as the standing effort. This is because the standing effort has the benefit of requiring more torque. Power is a function of Cadence and Torque. You can get more power by increasing torque (how hard you press on the pedal), cadence (how fast you move the pedal), or both.
__________________
Quote:
Originally Posted by gtrob View Post
Roadies can run tempo all year as that's what humans were designed for. If you want to be a cheetah, lay around and lick your paws more.
carleton is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-08-11, 06:47 PM   #1360
prooftheory
pro in someone's theory
 
prooftheory's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2011
Location: Las Cruces, NM
Bikes: FTP
Posts: 3,104
Mentioned: 1 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 8 Post(s)
I realized it was a dumb question as I was taking a shower just now and came back hoping to delete it before you got to it. For someone whose job title is "scientist" I can't remember my high school mechanical physics very well. Thanks.
prooftheory is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-08-11, 07:04 PM   #1361
hairnet
Fresh Garbage
 
hairnet's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2009
Location: Los Angeles
Bikes:
Posts: 12,436
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 35 Post(s)
So then, Carleton, what is your max speed?
hairnet is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-08-11, 07:52 PM   #1362
carleton
Elitist
 
carleton's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2005
Location: Atlanta, GA
Bikes:
Posts: 13,069
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 17 Post(s)
Quote:
Originally Posted by hairnet View Post
So then, Carleton, what is your max speed?
Max solo speed (meaning without following someone's slipstream) is a little over 40MPH. There are lots of guys faster than me.
__________________
Quote:
Originally Posted by gtrob View Post
Roadies can run tempo all year as that's what humans were designed for. If you want to be a cheetah, lay around and lick your paws more.
carleton is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-08-11, 08:04 PM   #1363
hairnet
Fresh Garbage
 
hairnet's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2009
Location: Los Angeles
Bikes:
Posts: 12,436
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 35 Post(s)
I remember some guy hit 42 at one of the crits I was is. Blew my mind
hairnet is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-08-11, 10:51 PM   #1364
calv
Painfully average.
 
calv's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2010
Location: Oakland/Davis, CA
Bikes: all city mr pink
Posts: 2,557
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Dear Carleton,

I want to put dummy hoods on my Nitto Noodles, and I assume I have to remove my Lizardskins to do it.

Am I almost 100% going to have to buy a new set of Lizardskins? :/
calv is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-08-11, 11:25 PM   #1365
Lilcphoto
My name is Alex
 
Lilcphoto's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2010
Location: PDX
Bikes: Mercier Kilo TT Stripper in RAW, Schwinn Madison 2008 Blue, Leader 725tr, Brassknuckle, Leader 722, Traitor Ruben
Posts: 1,701
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Dearleton:

Have you ever had a Voodoo Doughnut?

Lilcphoto is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-08-11, 11:28 PM   #1366
carleton
Elitist
 
carleton's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2005
Location: Atlanta, GA
Bikes:
Posts: 13,069
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 17 Post(s)
Quote:
Originally Posted by hairnet View Post
I remember some guy hit 42 at one of the crits I was is. Blew my mind
Those guys have the benefits of gears.

I can reach just under 40MPH from a standing start in about 250M...in less than 20"

Hopefully next year I can beat that.

Quote:
Originally Posted by calv View Post
Dear Carleton,

I want to put dummy hoods on my Nitto Noodles, and I assume I have to remove my Lizardskins to do it.

Am I almost 100% going to have to buy a new set of Lizardskins? :/
It depends on how old they are. Probably not though. Just be careful when unwrapping.

I've rewrapped mine before.
__________________
Quote:
Originally Posted by gtrob View Post
Roadies can run tempo all year as that's what humans were designed for. If you want to be a cheetah, lay around and lick your paws more.
carleton is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-08-11, 11:29 PM   #1367
carleton
Elitist
 
carleton's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2005
Location: Atlanta, GA
Bikes:
Posts: 13,069
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 17 Post(s)
Quote:
Originally Posted by Lilcphoto View Post
Dearleton:

Have you ever had a Voodoo Doughnut?

Not yet! Oh, god that looks awesome. I'd have to save up about 4 cheat days for that...and it looks like it'd be worth it!
__________________
Quote:
Originally Posted by gtrob View Post
Roadies can run tempo all year as that's what humans were designed for. If you want to be a cheetah, lay around and lick your paws more.
carleton is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-09-11, 12:49 AM   #1368
evilcryalotmore
モㄥ工匕モ 爪モ爪乃モ尺
 
evilcryalotmore's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2010
Location: LA San Gabriel, California
Bikes: Custom frame
Posts: 2,137
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
carleton, Was your other tiemeyere chrome or polish? the luster on your pictures deceive me
evilcryalotmore is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-09-11, 01:04 AM   #1369
calv
Painfully average.
 
calv's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2010
Location: Oakland/Davis, CA
Bikes: all city mr pink
Posts: 2,557
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Quote:
Originally Posted by carleton View Post
It depends on how old they are. Probably not though. Just be careful when unwrapping.

I've rewrapped mine before.
Cool! Do you think I HAVE to wrap them in a figure 8 like people tell you to? I don't have enough tape to do that either, man!
calv is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-09-11, 02:00 AM   #1370
Jaytron
Brown Bear, Sqrl Hunter
 
Jaytron's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2009
Location: San Jose, CA
Bikes: CAAD 10 4, Dolan DF4, Fuji Track Classic
Posts: 4,361
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Carleton,

Would you consider, say, a Leader 725 a good starting frameset for track racing?
Jaytron is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-09-11, 03:11 AM   #1371
calv
Painfully average.
 
calv's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2010
Location: Oakland/Davis, CA
Bikes: all city mr pink
Posts: 2,557
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
^I remember seeing the leader 725/735 on a list of beginner track bikes in the track racing section.. So I would assume so because I don't remember carleton pointing them out specifically. Also, TejanoTrackie loved his Leader 721 and said he would take it out on the velodrome I believe a while ago. Could be wrong about that though.

edit/ oh yeah,

/notcarleton

edit2/ this is the list

Quote:
Originally Posted by Kayce View Post
Whats your total budget? What parts build are you looking at? Which track? What height are you?

Leader 725
Leader 735
Bianchi Super Pista
Raleigh Rush Hour Pro
Felt TK2
Look 464
etc.

Quote:
Originally Posted by carleton View Post
This is a good list. My vote would be for the Felt TK2 or the LOOK 464.

Last edited by calv; 10-09-11 at 03:44 AM.
calv is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-09-11, 07:33 AM   #1372
prind0
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Nov 2009
Location: California
Bikes: Orange Kill TT
Posts: 102
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Dear Carleton,

I originally posted about cramping in my calves, and I wanted to say thanks. I grabbed a couple electrolyte gels from my LBS and haven't had a problem with cramping since. Seems like I may just have to change my diet so I don't get out of control with these things (they are actually really tasty and I feel like I could eat them like candy haha). But now I have a second problem. I'm currently riding with DZR Clipless shoes, and some Crankbrother Candy 1 pedals and I've unclipped twice when slowing down from high speed. I wasn't skidding just "skip-checking" as I call it, so I don't twist my foot. Am I maybe exerting too much force on the pedals that they just unclip or is there another problem. The shoes, cleats, and pedals are all just about 6 months old so they aren't too worn down. Thanks in advance.
prind0 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-09-11, 11:19 AM   #1373
carleton
Elitist
 
carleton's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2005
Location: Atlanta, GA
Bikes:
Posts: 13,069
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 17 Post(s)
Quote:
Originally Posted by evilcryalotmore View Post
carleton, Was your other tiemeyere chrome or polish? the luster on your pictures deceive me
It was anodized.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Jaytron View Post
Carleton,

Would you consider, say, a Leader 725 a good starting frameset for track racing?
I think so but can't say for certain till I see the geometry chart...which Leader doesn't publish

Quote:
Originally Posted by prind0 View Post
Dear Carleton,

I originally posted about cramping in my calves, and I wanted to say thanks. I grabbed a couple electrolyte gels from my LBS and haven't had a problem with cramping since. Seems like I may just have to change my diet so I don't get out of control with these things (they are actually really tasty and I feel like I could eat them like candy haha). But now I have a second problem. I'm currently riding with DZR Clipless shoes, and some Crankbrother Candy 1 pedals and I've unclipped twice when slowing down from high speed. I wasn't skidding just "skip-checking" as I call it, so I don't twist my foot. Am I maybe exerting too much force on the pedals that they just unclip or is there another problem. The shoes, cleats, and pedals are all just about 6 months old so they aren't too worn down. Thanks in advance.
I'm glad I could help! I wish I had taken my own advice yesterday. I cramped pretty hard.

6 months of daily use could wear the cleat down. Not sure without having a look at both sides of your cleat though.
__________________
Quote:
Originally Posted by gtrob View Post
Roadies can run tempo all year as that's what humans were designed for. If you want to be a cheetah, lay around and lick your paws more.
carleton is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-09-11, 11:24 AM   #1374
homebrewk 
yoked
 
homebrewk's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2011
Location: St. Louis
Bikes: Cannondale CAAD10, Trek Earl, Schwinn Gateway
Posts: 3,696
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Quote:
Originally Posted by carleton View Post
I think so but can't say for certain till I see the geometry chart...which Leader doesn't publish
Here:

__________________
PedalRoom | STRΛVΛ
homebrewk is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-09-11, 11:41 AM   #1375
carleton
Elitist
 
carleton's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2005
Location: Atlanta, GA
Bikes:
Posts: 13,069
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 17 Post(s)
Quote:
Originally Posted by homebrewk View Post
Here:

Thanks!

Yeah, I think the 725 would be fine.
__________________
Quote:
Originally Posted by gtrob View Post
Roadies can run tempo all year as that's what humans were designed for. If you want to be a cheetah, lay around and lick your paws more.
carleton is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply


Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off



All times are GMT -6. The time now is 03:03 PM.